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Remington

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5 yr Fo F9 = $82 max out at $94
5 yr Fo Wn = $119 max out at $131
5 yr Fo Rep = $37

5 yr Ca F9 = $141 max out at $156
5 yr Ca Wn = $183 max out at $198
20 yr Ca Rep = 119

What could have happened:

SWA buys Frontier. All pilots are stapled at SWA. Sucks in most ways for Frontier. Especially the dudes who helped re-invent the place 15 yrs ago. However they get the SWA rates. Bad part is that they can no longer tell their neighbor they're a Capain, but they will make lots more money, and get to have a chance to fly for the most sucessful airline in history.

The busses would have gone away except for the ones going to Mexico and Canada. The pilots of the overlapping service would fly for SWA. The pilot for the Mex an Can service would be SWA codeshare. This would have worked for a while. When SWA figured out how to do int'l ops, the remaining busses would leave, more 737s come in, an all Frontier pilots have a spot at SWA.

I might be missing something, but please ask the Midwest employees their opinon of Rev. Bedford and the Republic coalition.

Frontier just condemend themselves to unemployment followed by bottom-of-the-list employement to every 21yr old pilot at Republic.

You F9 folks might have won the battle, but thank your senior union dudes for losing the war.

What would you want. To be stapled at $130,000/yr+ or interview for $25,000/yr.

It's a whole differnt animal.

:confused:Good luck.
 
Midwest employees face layoffs
Tuesday August 18, 2009
An estimated 100 Midwest Airlines employees will lose their jobs following its acquisition by Republic Airways Holdings, a Republic spokesperson confirmed yesterday to ATWOnline.

Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act letters, required by law when job changes are scheduled to occur, were sent to 158 Midwest employees based at Milwaukee General Mitchell International stating that layoffs will begin Aug. 31. Of those who received the letters, 88 are flight crew members who may be able to join Republic after seniority list integration, according to the company. That integration will be determined by Midwest's Air Line Pilots Assn. and Republic's International Brotherhood of Teamsters representatives.

Republic said another 33 notified employees are mechanics, some of whom will retain positions for Republic at MKE. The remaining employees include administration and managerial workers who could be duplicates of existing administrative staff based in Indianapolis. Midwest has around 1,600 employees.

In addition, Republic told this website that the Midwest fleet of 99-seat 717s will be phased out and replaced by 99-seat E-190s.
 
Midwest employees face layoffs
Tuesday August 18, 2009
An estimated 100 Midwest Airlines employees will lose their jobs following its acquisition by Republic Airways Holdings, a Republic spokesperson confirmed yesterday to ATWOnline.

Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act letters, required by law when job changes are scheduled to occur, were sent to 158 Midwest employees based at Milwaukee General Mitchell International stating that layoffs will begin Aug. 31. Of those who received the letters, 88 are flight crew members who may be able to join Republic after seniority list integration, according to the company. That integration will be determined by Midwest's Air Line Pilots Assn. and Republic's International Brotherhood of Teamsters representatives.

Republic said another 33 notified employees are mechanics, some of whom will retain positions for Republic at MKE. The remaining employees include administration and managerial workers who could be duplicates of existing administrative staff based in Indianapolis. Midwest has around 1,600 employees.

In addition, Republic told this website that the Midwest fleet of 99-seat 717s will be phased out and replaced by 99-seat E-190s.


Things to watch are the integration of Midwest pilots and Republic. The big date for integration and furloughed pilots is purchase date and what was their status at the merger (active or furloughed) not what happens after that date. This could be important.

Also, if you follolw the DAL/NWA and AWA/USAir Nicolia award, there was separation on the integration of wide vs narrow body aircraft. This paralles Frontier/Republic as they are narrow body vs RJ. If you follow the previous mentioned integrations and follow it to the next step you get:

Wide body senior (none) - narrow body mid seniority (frontier Airbus') - RJ (all Republic aircraft and the Frontier Dash 8s) junior.

This also applies to midwest:

Wide body senior (none) - narrow body mid seniority (B717s and DC-9 if any left) - RJ (all republic aircraft)

This results that among captains, all Frontier Captains are senior. The real nut cutting occurs with Frontier FOs and all RJ captains and FO. How do you integrate these groups. Also, there need to be similar 5 to 10 year fences to protect each group from intrusion into the other's fleets. Each group may see some gains and losses, but true interations will not happen for 5 to 10 years.

Merging companies of similar equipment is one thing, but when one company only flies one RJs that is quite another. This can be an example of where "scope" hurts Republic pilots. E170/175 are all considered feeder/RJ aircraft thus do not count as narrow body equipment. As for future E190 aircraft, if/when they get them, they should be considered an narrowbody, but Republic does not have any on the date of purchase, thus they do not count in the mix.

Just my opinion......

FNG
 
5 yr Fo F9 = $82 max out at $94
5 yr Fo Wn = $119 max out at $131
5 yr Fo Rep = $37

5 yr Ca F9 = $141 max out at $156
5 yr Ca Wn = $183 max out at $198
20 yr Ca Rep = 119

What could have happened:

SWA buys Frontier. All pilots are stapled at SWA. Sucks in most ways for Frontier. Especially the dudes who helped re-invent the place 15 yrs ago. However they get the SWA rates. Bad part is that they can no longer tell their neighbor they're a Capain, but they will make lots more money, and get to have a chance to fly for the most sucessful airline in history.

The busses would have gone away except for the ones going to Mexico and Canada. The pilots of the overlapping service would fly for SWA. The pilot for the Mex an Can service would be SWA codeshare. This would have worked for a while. When SWA figured out how to do int'l ops, the remaining busses would leave, more 737s come in, an all Frontier pilots have a spot at SWA.

I might be missing something, but please ask the Midwest employees their opinon of Rev. Bedford and the Republic coalition.

Frontier just condemend themselves to unemployment followed by bottom-of-the-list employement to every 21yr old pilot at Republic.

You F9 folks might have won the battle, but thank your senior union dudes for losing the war.

What would you want. To be stapled at $130,000/yr+ or interview for $25,000/yr.

It's a whole differnt animal.

:confused:Good luck.

I was thinking that same thing. It would have been a scat sandwich in the short term, but long term I think it would have been much better. I guess they felt Republic was the lesser of two evils. My best bud is a mechanic over at Frontier and I fear for his job.
 
Who would have paid for the 737 type ratings for Frontier pilots? The pilots or SWA? I guess it's all water under the bridge now...
 
Who would have paid for the 737 type ratings for Frontier pilots? The pilots or SWA? I guess it's all water under the bridge now...

WN VP Flight Ops said PIC and type rating requirement was to be waved and they would be typed when they upgraded.

Gup
 
They would have been exempt from type requirement and typed upon upgrade. Now for the 450 guys on file in Southwest's people department...might have their types in hopes of getting on with us.
 
So any ideas what this means for SWA poolies now? Was this "good" for us or "bad" or did it really change anything?
 
When are you guys gonna let this thing rest, we are all getting tired of hearing about the WN/F9 deal.
 
SWA buys Frontier. All pilots are stapled at SWA. Sucks in most ways for Frontier. Especially the dudes who helped re-invent the place 15 yrs ago. However they get the SWA rates. Bad part is that they can no longer tell their neighbor they're a Capain, but they will make lots more money, and get to have a chance to fly for the most sucessful airline in history.

Sounds a lot like the same arguments that American fed TWA... how'd that work out for the TWA pilots?
 

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