F9 still in play

[Bigoober]

No kidding.

Any latest as the original info is now a few days old?

 

[SWA/FO]

From another forum....somebody seems to think, Delta and UAL are not happy with the F9 purchase, and might be pressuring RAH???

 

[USMC319]

OK, I'll see my 520 Aircraft with 3000 daily departures to your 51 Aircraft and 350 daily departures, apples and oranges chump.

I LUV this in your profile...............

Curr Position: CA :nuts:

Enough said on that point. :smash:

Canyonblue,

I thought you had more class than that. I guess I was wrong. You don't seem to measure up with the guys I know at WN. Too bad.

 

[airlinepilot]

Can be inplay until the deal in finalized....

According to this article the deal will not be finalized until late Sep or early Oct. Then it will be interested to see what if any changes come about.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_13227176

 

[chase]

Just a rumor

There was a rumor that F9 was short $30m on the deal. I find that one hard to fathom with CFOs poring over the details countless times.

I spoke to a senior SWAPA official recently and after the teleconference in which FAPA/SWAPA officials swapped offers and laid out their desires, the following day SWAPA sent 4 emails and one phone call requesting further discussions.

Each inquiry was replied to with a statement "we'll be back in touch". The only contact was one way from SWAPA to FAPA seeking further discussions. If FAPA didn't want to negotiate that is their choice but for those to speculate things couldn't have been worked out in such a short time; that we will never know because there was no serious effort on the part of FAPA to use the final day to attempt to find solutions.

Until Oct rolls around, no one knows how the plan will fall out. I suspect those furloughed will remain furlough and as a result of the overlap in route structures, there will be those added to that list over the next year. The same thing would've happened if SWA had been successful but those remaining will be making much less money than they would've been if they were on the SWA payroll. However, when called back, they would be coming to SWA for far more money and not to Republic/F9 rates.

I will look for the young F9 pilot in the lounge next time to get his honest appraisal of his perspective and those in a similar boat. With 400+ of their pilots with apps in at SWA, there appear to be quite a few of them that wanted to come to SWA. Never say never in this business.

Cheers,

 

[Daddy]

FAPA chose to throw their lot in with RAH...it was a risky call and they will have to live with that. Not responding or even talking to SWAPA was a big mistake and a breach in etiquette. Few SWA pilots feel sympathetic now to their cause as a result of that action...I think they will come to regret their actions.

 

[Bookingsareup]

FAPA chose to throw their lot in with RAH...it was a risky call and they will have to live with that. Not responding or even talking to SWAPA was a big mistake and a breach in etiquette. Few SWA pilots feel sympathetic now to their cause as a result of that action...I think they will come to regret their actions.

It's over. Let it go. You have not furthered the conversation at all with this "in- the- past" statement. Furthermore, your statement is riddled with inaccuracies.

 

[slaquer5]

It's over. Let it go. You have not furthered the conversation at all with this "in- the- past" statement. Furthermore, your statement is riddled with inaccuracies.

No I think Daddy speaks the truth. Maybe he is like me, in the way I feel sorry for the F9 guys. I think the majority of the F9 pilot group was not being looked after. JMO ... I do wish the best for them however it turns out.

 

[shearedshaft]

Funny, funny stuff in the papers. Looks like even odds that the hometown airline of Denver might become the hometown airline of Indianapolis. Or Milwaukee.

I hate to say it, because Frontier guys have never done wrong by me, but if you guys get uprooted to MKE and watch your precious DEN base vaporize, I have to admit that I'll make a toast to the correctness of my cynicism.

Republic is going to move you guys to the city that offers the biggest incentive. I hear the commute from Denver to MKE is a breeze.

 

[Bookingsareup]

No I think Daddy speaks the truth. Maybe he is like me, in the way I feel sorry for the F9 guys. I think the majority of the F9 pilot group was not being looked after. JMO ... I do wish the best for them however it turns out.

If you think that the F9 group would have been better off with a SWA purchase I would say that you may be right. In fact I may even agree with you. However, my point is that Daddy's statement was not factually correct and his inaccurate statement does nothing to further the conversation. Like many posts on FI, his statement regurgitates misinformation and we get nowhere.

 

[arjayeffo]

The 'moving' of employees refers mostly to backoffice people. As for pilots, there will be airbus flying in and out of MKE very soon as a part of the codeshare. No word on an actual domicile, but if so, I say its about time.

 

[arjayeffo]

But not at the expense of a Denver base, in addition to.

 

[Daddy]

Bookings, you are delusional...FAPA would not respond to us even when we reached out to them when we did not have to do so...faux pas. Slaquer is right...the bottom half of that list got railroaded by their union and that sucks for them.

 

[shearedshaft]

But not at the expense of a Denver base, in addition to.

Is that opium I smell?

 

[airlinepilot]

F9 boys and girls...fasten your seatbelt it going to be a interesting ride. Indy might be a good place to work from

 

[StaySeated]

FAPA chose to throw their lot in with RAH...it was a risky call and they will have to live with that. Not responding or even talking to SWAPA was a big mistake and a breach in etiquette. Few SWA pilots feel sympathetic now to their cause as a result of that action...I think they will come to regret their actions.

Why am I even surprised that we are talking about this...

I hate to interrupt this thread with some facts, again, but what the heck.

No one on the SWAPA M&A Committee contacted the FAPA M&A guys on Thursday. There was zero communication between the two committees on Thursday. I keep reading that FAPA left SWAPA hanging or some other line of BS. Sorry, it didn't happen.

SWAPA called things to a close on Wednesday night, and then invited everyone down to dallas to continue the negotiations. The continued negotiations were contingent on the court granting an extension to the auction. Not only was there no extension granted, SWA's bid did not qualify per the rules established by the court.

These facts are easily verifiable. I honestly have no idea why this is still being discussed.

While we are at it, I would consider the following to be a "breach of etiquette",

A certain union president communicates that some form of integration is inevitable and agreeable, and less than 12 hours later another member of that same union proposes a staple. Why say one thing, and then do the opposite?

Bygones.


Speaking of accuracy, the movement of airbus from denver to milwaukee does in fact come at the expense of F9 flying. As RAH 190's are deployed to DEN, F9 buses will be moved to different cities. This is actually a very good thing, but the fact of the matter is the start of a new domicile or two does come at the expense of F9 pilot positions in Denver. We are not adding positions in MKE, we are moving Denver positions to MKE.

We all really need to move on. Pilots didn't drive the company into BK. Pilots didn't solicit and obtain DIP financing or exit financing. Pilots didn't establish the rules of the auction. Pilots didn't place a bid to purchase the airline. Pilots didn't complete the due diligence to modify the bid to purchase the airline. Pilots didn't refuse to modify the bid to purchase the airline. Pilots didn't forgo an unsecured claim in the amount of $150 Million dollars.

We show up and fly some planes. That is pretty much the extent of our involvement in the process.

 

[shearedshaft]

Cough, cough...uh, "bull********************!"

 

[shearedshaft]

That was "bull S H I T" in case anyone is too young to see the words.

 

[shearedshaft]

Your entire MEC was MIA on the day after. Our guys have the timeline. Our guys have the emails sent to your Pres and the other guy. Our guys have logs of telephone calls. Your guys freaked out at the last minute, not wanting it to end, then they went radio silence. This is no secret at SWA.

You line pilots got an interesting item inserted in your anus without being consulted. Right now, you could have SWA seniority numbers. Instead, you get to wonder about which city your "hometown airline" is going to call headquarters (hint: IND) and you get to plot with your buddies how long your Airbus job lasts, until it turns into an RJ job.

The nonsense you've been repeating about how the FAPA guys really tried in negotiations is absolute nonsense. We know it, the FAPA guys know it, the only one confused is you.

In my opinion, Stemmler made a previous deal with his new buddy, the CEO of Republic and sold your entire seniority list down the river. Did you see the newest article from Stemmler? In my opinion, one could thing Stemmler is Bedford's secret lover.

Now for the rest of you guys, keep Stemmler in power and let him hang out with CEOs and you'll be fine. Don't worry about having a seniority number worth $4.2 million dollars, that's not as big a deal as Stemmler hanging out in Manhattan with the cool people. You'll all be fine in IND.

 

[StopNTSing]

Why am I even surprised that we are talking about this...

I hate to interrupt this thread with some facts, again, but what the heck.

No one on the SWAPA M&A Committee contacted the FAPA M&A guys on Thursday. There was zero communication between the two committees on Thursday. I keep reading that FAPA left SWAPA hanging or some other line of BS. Sorry, it didn't happen.

SWAPA called things to a close on Wednesday night, and then invited everyone down to dallas to continue the negotiations. The continued negotiations were contingent on the court granting an extension to the auction. Not only was there no extension granted, SWA's bid did not qualify per the rules established by the court.

These facts are easily verifiable. I honestly have no idea why this is still being discussed.

This is now the second time I will ask you for the source of your "easily verifiable" facts. SWAPA distributed their event summary of those two days. If FAPA has done the same, I have yet to see anyone post it here. Even though it is all just water under the bridge at this point, I would genuinely like to know if I have been lied to by my union.