F1 engine warming up-Very cool!!!!!

[Pistonpilot]

For those having problems downloading the clip.
I use Mozilla Firefox as my browser and didn't have any problems.

For I.P.Freley, if you want to save the clip Firefox will let you do that.
Click on the link, Firefox opens the download manager and asks if you want to open it or save it.
On Firefox you can specify where to save all downloads by going to 1)Tools 2)Options 3)Downloads- adjust your settings as you like
I have this play as an mpeg file on Windows Media Player

I can't tell you how many times I watched this. Each time with a huge smile.

 

[CFIcare]

Wow. Impressive.

Check this out...I heard that when this sucker was cranked up, the vibrations would make your arms and legs shake uncontrollably....awesome


J58 test stand

 

[I.P. Freley]

For those having problems downloading the clip.
I use Mozilla Firefox as my browser and didn't have any problems.

For I.P.Freley, if you want to save the clip Firefox will let you do that.

Looks like I need to google "firefox" and hope I don't get too many links to a silly Clint Eastwood film... Thanks for the info, I'll look into it.

 

[PaulThomas]

The throttle-blippin' thing they were doing in this clip hardly looks unusual. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that it was an end-of-season "let's destroy the engine" thing. The video makes it look like they're frying the thing, but that's probably just because (lack of) lighting makes it look more impressive, not to mention the fact that normally you'd have the engine cover in place and you wouldn't see what the engine normally looks like. Have you heard how long they run these engines in the garages? Sit across from the pits at an F1 practice session and they're constantly running these things. WAAAAH! WAAAAAHHH!! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!! Make sure to bring your earplugs!

Actually, they meant to completely shoot the engine for a "publicity" stunt. This was back when they had different engines for races and qualifying I believe. The engine needed a complete overhaul anyways.



This would kill any F1 engine. I've been to a bunch of testing sessions. I've never seen them with an engine in the pit running for nothing. Usually they start up and go. An F1 engine cooling comes from the air circulation. If you're missing it, you'll cook the engine extremely quickly (which is why they don't keep the engine running if it's not needed).



An F1 with minimal set for top speed would be quite a bit faster than an Indy Car, but these team budget are in a different world. Toyota and not Ferrari has the biggest budget. I don't remember the figures. Michael Schumacher salary comes from Marlboro, not Ferrari (even though they give him sweet perks such as cars...)

The 1500hp from the 80's turbo era was only used for qualifying and downgraded for the race.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Actually, they meant to completely shoot the engine for a "publicity" stunt. This was back when they had different engines for races and qualifying I believe. The engine needed a complete overhaul anyways.

This would kill any F1 engine. I've been to a bunch of testing sessions. I've never seen them with an engine in the pit running for nothing. Usually they start up and go. An F1 engine cooling comes from the air circulation. If you're missing it, you'll cook the engine extremely quickly (which is why they don't keep the engine running if it's not needed).

Like I said, I wasn't sure what they were attempting to accomplish in the event that was filmed, but to say that they never run the engines in the pits without sending them straight out doesn't add up. I've sat across from the pit and watched them blipping the heck out of the engines and shut them down... Without sending the car out. If running the engine without running the car ended every time in smoking the motor, it would be a very expensive endeavor. The event on film may be unusual but running the engine without sending the car out is not unusual at all.

An F1 with minimal set for top speed would be quite a bit faster than an Indy Car

I wonder if this is correct, because even a minimum-wing configuration leaves you with a car that has more downforce than is ideal for a top-speed run. The IRL/CART cars are optimized from day one to run at these speeds, with dedicated speedway kits and all that... The F1 cars' different under-car aerodynamic kits probably create far more drag than is ideal for speedway racing, to say nothing of the fact that US open-wheelers are also made to be more survivable when hitting walls at over 220mph. I don't think that many drivers would want to drive a Formula 1 car flat-out around Indianapolis (or Michigan, or Charlotte, or...). Unless, of course, some modifications away from their original design specs were incorporated into the car, like bigger sidepods, crushable rear structures, etc.

Hey, I could be wrong, it's just my perception that F1 cars are not ideally suited to extremely high-speed running with concrete on all sides.

The 1500hp from the 80's turbo era was only used for qualifying and downgraded for the race.

I didn't bother questioning this original number, but the highest HP figure I have a source for is around 1300hp in the BMW turbos. Like you said, this was for qualifying ONLY and the race number was closer to 850-900hp, or slightly less than the cars we see today.

Naturally, today's cars would leave for dead those machines of the early 80's due to advances in tires, suspension, aerodynamics, brakes, chassis stiffness, etc. But! Even a 60's era F1 car would scare the he11 out of anyone not accustomed to racing cars, and a modern one would give any of us a heart attack.

 

[I.P. Freley]

if you want to save the clip Firefox will let you do that.
Click on the link, Firefox opens the download manager and asks if you want to open it or save it.

Thanks for the tip, man. I will have to spend some time with Firefox to figure out how it all works as compared to IE, but now I have that video saved to my HD.

Hats off to ya!

 

[CUEBOAT]

Sit across from the pits at an F1 practice session and they're constantly running these things. WAAAAH! WAAAAAHHH!! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!! Make sure to bring your earplugs!

Any try F1 aficiando would cleary know that F1 teams use a "PADDOCK" and not a pit.

F1, no doors, no Dales no fenders. a true race car.The Canadian grandprix is always a good time. I should be in attendance this year. It has been a great season. I'm glad to see ferrari has been de-throned

 

[I.P. Freley]

Any try F1 aficiando would cleary know that F1 teams use a "PADDOCK" and not a pit.

Okay, you got me, but there IS a "pit lane speed limit" ya know.

And, as we all know, noone in F1 ever gets a "flat", it's a "puncture". And one is not in "first place", one would be "P-1".

 

[CUEBOAT]

hahahahah yes i love the puncture bit, infact i love all F1 terminology. There is always some old british driver calling the race using ancient words.My personal favorite is when they call sand, "the kitty litter". I always chuckle when ever they say that.

 

[UnAnswerd]

3 liters and natutrally aspirated??? That is AMAZING!!! I also agree that Nascar is garbage. Nothing could be more boring....

 

[E46_guy]

I think i broke my speakers... That can't be good for an engine.

Any of you Bimmer guys in the CCA?

<--- tells you my poision: E46 guy

TB

 

[gnx99]

I'm an E36 guy on bimmerforums

 

[SennaP1]

F1 Start

I think the most amazing thing in motorsports is the F1 start, nothing like 20/22 of those cars revved, ready to GO. I have been to 3 GPs and have always left out the earplugs for the start, you just gotta do it.

Probably not good for the hearing, but good for the soul...

Probably the only time I can say that sound has hurt.

 

[Groundpounder]

NASCAR is boring? At least there is passing in NASCAR, and when two cars bump, it doesn't knock both of them out of the race.

I love all motorsports, but F1 isn't really high on my list.

 

[gnx99]

The first two laps of F1 is very exciting to me, after that, I get bored.

Personally I care zero about the competion aspect of auto racing. I want technology, speed and danger.

IMO, World Rally Championship (WRC) is BY FAR the most exciting form of auto racing.

 

[smartnetjetwife]

Naturally, today's cars would leave for dead those machines of the early 80's due to advances in tires, suspension, aerodynamics, brakes, chassis stiffness, etc

not quite true. there have been a number of rules in the last decade to slow the cars down to increase safety and whatnot. off the top of my head, they have reduced ground effect (which effectively created a vacuum under the chassis), smaller diffusers, minumum width of chassis, and most notably grooved tYres (no "i" ).

cars now a days do have better brakes, suspension, for a while traction control, launch control, and safety features (15 years ago shumi would have died in that wreck at silverstone a few years ago)

SMARTERnjawife

 

[I.P. Freley]

3 liters and natutrally aspirated??? That is AMAZING!!!

Indeed. Also keep in mind that these cars are now designed, because of a rules change, to use the same engine for two full race weekends or incur draconian penalties in the case of an engine change. By "race weekend" that means all practice sessions, qualifying (formerly two qualifying sessions but now one), and the race... And then the same engine has to be used again for the next race.

If they change an engine, they take a 10-spot penalty at the starting grid from wherever they qualified... Unless they don't finish a race, in which case they can reset the "counter" and start with a fresh engine at the next event.

So... 900+ RELIABLE horsepower. Amazing what a quarter-billion dollars can buy these days.

 

[I.P. Freley]

not quite true. there have been a number of rules in the last decade to slow the cars down to increase safety and whatnot. off the top of my head, they have reduced ground effect (which effectively created a vacuum under the chassis), smaller diffusers, minumum width of chassis, and most notably grooved tYres (no "i" ).

cars now a days do have better brakes, suspension, for a while traction control, launch control, and safety features

The rules changes of the last decade are just part of a continuing effort, going much farther back than even ten years, to slow the cars down (they still have traction control, by the way). Every rule change is counteracted by the engineers. Don't forget that the TRACKS have been changed, too. No track has remained untouched, with every single one being altered to limit cornering speeds, additional runoff areas (sometimes kitty litter, sometimes just grass or pavement), added chicanes, etc.

Just to show you how much faster today's cars are than the older ones, I looked up the pole position times for a few data points for a few tracks that are least changed, but will just give up three years' worth as representative of the general decline in lap times. I chose 1984 as the starting point, which was, as I recall, the last year of unrestricted turbocharging (in any case, the '84 lap times were uniformly faster than the '83 lap times), meaning no boost limits. The second year I chose was 1992, the year of the Williams FW-14, with the wide slicks, full-active suspension, semi-auto transmission, traction control, ABS, and the old formula 3.5 liter V-10 engine. The last year I chose was 2004, the last year for which all results are available, and keep in mind that '04 is the only of the three years chosen with a SINGLE qualifying lap with RACE fuel on board, not the best of several attempts with minimum fuel.

Below are the year's respective lap times.... Note that there was no race in Belgium in '84 so I used '83, and I used Belgium '02, since rain in qualifying skewed the results in '04 and there was no race there in '03:

Monaco- 1:22.6/1:19.5/1:13.9 [8.7secs faster]
Canada- 1:25.4/1:19.7/1:12.2 [13.2secs faster]
Belgium- ('83)2:05/1:50.5/('02)1:43.7 [21.3secs faster]
Monza- 1:26.5/1:22.2/1:20 [6.5secs faster]

The brackets show the lap time improvement in the 20yrs between '84 and '04. I tried to use tracks that are substantially unchanged, which knocked out such places as Imola, Hockenheim, the Nurburgring, etc. Keeping in mind, again, that in each case the tracks above have been altered over the years so they are not 100% accurate comparisons, but since each track is now either longer or redesigned to be slower, or both, I think it's a decent comparison.

And before you ask, yes, I really should find something better to do with my time.

 

[CUEBOAT]

NASCAR is boring? At least there is passing in NASCAR, and when two cars bump, it doesn't knock both of them out of the race.

I love all motorsports, but F1 isn't really high on my list.

There is passing in F1, I doesnt happen as much as in other racing, thus making it that more exciting when it does. F1 is a chessmatch, anyone can take a car and bump people out of their way to get ahead, in F1 you have to pass with out touching, this is more difficult than "trading paint".

 

[El Cóndor]

Wrc

IMO, World Rally Championship (WRC) is BY FAR the most exciting form of auto racing.

Hear that. I grew up watching F1 (Nigel Mansell is my all-time favorite driver, with Senna a close second) and lately it has been boring with Ferrari winning everything. This year looks like a much more exciting season so far.

Anyways, WRC is the most interesting racing championship for me because I WILL probably have a chance to drive (or better yet, own) the "un-tuned" version of one of the cars that are being used in the championship, as opposed to seeing a F1 car only from a far and dreaming about driving one.

By the way, has anybody had a chance to test drive the Mitsubishi Evo 9 yet?