Extraneous useless radio phrases

[ron burgundy]

...that's the attitude I expect from a controller.

I don't even want to imagine how difficult it is to manage all the traffic coming in and out of ATL and maybe things are different down there.

Try managing the energy of a jet. I don't want to unnecessarily waste fuel. If I know how long the final is, I know whether or not I need to hurry down, use drag--or not. I don't want to be at 2500' 20 miles out, and I don't want to be turning base to final 5 mile out @ 7000' still doing 250. Out here on the West Coast, controllers actually volunteer that information.

So, you are having a hard time keeping up with your airplane?

How about listening to the radio and kinda get a feel for the flow of traffic?
Ya know, when the last 10 aircraft have been turned on to the Localizer 10 miles from Bahrr or whatever.

 

[~~~^~~~]

shortcuts and ride reports!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give us a break. at least try not to ask every single controller, every time you check in on a new freq.

This really depends. Considerations include:

On a 50 seat RJ there isn't very far to go and not much going on in the isles. In a 330 seat jet you usually have passengers up (even with the seat belt sign on) and FA's up to serve those passengers.

In case anyone forgot, we are held to the highest standard of care to forsee harm to these passengers and ensure their safety. I want to know what ride reports are out there, particularly if we are changing altitudes or the weather appears unstable. .. and unlike the RJ days, it is not my fourth trip that day through that same patch of weather. Frankly, I'm asking because I don't know.

Also there is the sheer moment arm on the larger jets. In the tail, more than 100 feet from the center of gravity any movements are amplified like they are on the end of a diving board.

It's all about safety - so kindy do provide ride reports.

 

[~~~^~~~]

So, you are having a hard time keeping up with your airplane?

No, but in order to comply with your altitude requests we need to have the jet properly configured. Without slats/flaps many modern jets just don't slow down or come down because those engineers have designed them to be very, very, efficient (shockers).

The alternative is to "dirty up early" which wastes gas and contributes to the pollutants that destroy the paint job on your nice new car.

We can make your job easy (by being configured to comply) and you can make our job easy - good goes round that way.

Most controllers do an outstanding job - thanks for answering our questions.

 

[ron burgundy]

No, but in order to comply with your altitude requests we need to have the jet properly configured. Without slats/flaps many modern jets just don't slow down or come down because those engineers have designed them to be very, very, efficient (shockers).

The alternative is to "dirty up early" which wastes gas and contributes to the pollutants that destroy the paint job on your nice new car.

We can make your job easy (by being configured to comply) and you can make our job easy - good goes round that way.

Most controllers do an outstanding job - thanks for answering our questions.

Thanks.. I used to fly the 737-200...ugly looking..didn't look like it should fly at all. A "byatch" to get down. Now it is the -700, better looking..same problem. That is why you try to stay ahead of it. Ya live, ya learn!

 

[no1pilot2000]

Keep it short and simple

Baltimore Tower, "whatever airline" holding short, runway 28 ready for takeoff 28. (Whatever airline) responds...Taxi into postion and hold 28. (Whatever airkine) responds......Cleared for takeoff 28.

28...28...28...28...28 bla... bla.....bla....bla....bla

The air traffic controller KNOWS where you are, a pilot doesn't need to keep remond the tower WHERE they are.

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

I have come to the conclusion that pilots burning holes in the sky atleast 80(+) hours a month are more easily perturbed over phraseology than 15 hour a month flyboys.

I suggest pilots who are burned out from flying those crazy 900(+) hour years to look for the cushy high paying 150 hour a year gigs and stop the bitching. I know in this current environment it is almost impossible but believe me positions do open up. Firing and hiring still occurs in these times.

Most will agree that it is easy to see the difference in irritability between pilots-controllers-etc when it comes to having less time in the cockpit compared to flown hard-put away wet pilots.

 

[Taildraggaah]

The air traffic controller KNOWS where you are, a pilot doesn't need to keep remond the tower WHERE they are.

1. use spell check

2. read the AIM rookie

 

[Tristar]

Wow. Just wow.

I just read this whole thread for the first time and I'm a bit amazed.

I must admit I used to be one of the guys referred to on this thread: non-standard phraseology, extraneous phrases, trying to sound cool.

Back when I was in college. Then I grew up a little.

More importantly, as others have so aptly pointed out, I started flying internationally (again, Canada doesn't count). There are very good reasons for utilizing standard phraseology which have been explained multiple times in this thread, and yet some still insist on insulting those who correctly call them to operate to a higher standard.

Brokeflyer - in particular you make a couple of statements which are downright hazardous:

STFU and get my checklist out......dont worry about what everyone else is doing. You need to concentrate on yourself

and

Whatever I say is perfectly acceptable

I'm going to hope you are being facetious on the second one, but the first is simply appalling. Does the phrase situational awareness mean anything to you? I strongly suggest you never fly in areas requiring IATA inflight broadcasts, in oceanic airspace, or any country where English is not the first language. Your apathy and ignorance WILL kill someone besides yourself.

Even if all you ever aspire to doing is flying domestically (USA, that is), there is no reason not to strive to be as professional as possible. If you can't see the intrinsic value in that, then I really don't know what to say to you. A quote from "Cool Hand Luke" comes to mind:

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.