ExpressJet JCBA is complete

[yasir1212]

Check your email...message from the JNC/union about it...

 

[SoberIrishman]

So we change AIP to TA....correct?

 

[Freebrd]

Check your email...message from the JNC/union about it...

true dat, I'll drink a pint to that with ya! :beer:

 

[Tarzan]

So we change AIP to TA....correct?

Only if the MEC's decide to send to the pilot grop to ratify.

 

[Freebrd]

Oh they will, whether it's shetty or great, they know what's in it already.

 

[Plainsman]

I can wait a few months!

 

[IFLYASA]

The company is saying if we don't agree they will transfer flying to SkyWest. Really? So how will SkyWest find enough pilots to take our routes? Even if this is a cost neutral contract, how does approving this benefit the company? The only way this TA will benefit the company is for this to be a pay cut overall. At a minimum, surely this is cost neutral. So why would you lose flying if overall nothing has changed? Smoke and mirrors. I don't buy it.

 

[Clutch]

The company is saying if we don't agree they will transfer flying to SkyWest. Really? So how will SkyWest find enough pilots to take our routes? Even if this is a cost neutral contract, how does approving this benefit the company? The only way this TA will benefit the company is for this to be a pay cut overall. At a minimum, surely this is cost neutral. So why would you lose flying if overall nothing has changed? Smoke and mirrors. I don't buy it.

Ha.. So they're saying that all the employees of expressjet minus the pilots are basically praying that the pilots vote to ratify or they're out on the street and onto monster.com. There has to be close to 15,000-plus non-pilot jobs involved here.. If that's the case, I'll just keep voting no just for the power trip.

 

[Texx]

Ha.. So they're saying that all the employees of expressjet minus the pilots are basically praying that the pilots vote to ratify or they're out on the street and onto monster.com. There has to be close to 15,000-plus non-pilot jobs involved here.. If that's the case, I'll just keep voting no just for the power trip.

I guess you haven't grown up yet.

 

[Trcb777]

I heard no duty rigs except for nappers. Vacation low stays but if vacation is between two months, you can't go low on both months.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I heard no duty rigs except for nappers. Vacation low stays but if vacation is between two months, you can't go low on both months.

No duty rigs is a non-starter. They can go back and try again.

 

[Trcb777]

100% agree.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This will be a terd, no doubt about it.

So who's gonna circulate the first decert petition?

 

[JustaNumber]

I heard no duty rigs except for nappers. Vacation low stays but if vacation is between two months, you can't go low on both months.

I heard the same thing about vacation low, with the additional concession of no min guarantee--i.e. if you choose vacation low and credit 64 hours, you get paid 64 hours. So it's not really vacation, it's really time off without pay. No thanks.

Let's hope what I heard was wrong. After all, who would think we would sign off on that?

 

[JustaNumber]

This will be a terd, no doubt about it.

So who's gonna circulate the first decert petition?

All we really need to do is vote no and send it back to the drawing board, and tell them they should have asked us what we wanted before spending all that time trying to negotiate on our behalf, while just guessing what we wanted. Just more work for them.

 

[IFLYASA]

I heard the same thing about vacation low, with the additional concession of no min guarantee--i.e. if you choose vacation low and credit 64 hours, you get paid 64 hours. So it's not really vacation, it's really time off without pay. No thanks.

Let's hope what I heard was wrong. After all, who would think we would sign off on that?

Yes this is true.

 

[enuffalready]

I heard the same thing about vacation low, with the additional concession of no min guarantee--i.e. if you choose vacation low and credit 64 hours, you get paid 64 hours. So it's not really vacation, it's really time off without pay. No thanks.

Let's hope what I heard was wrong. After all, who would think we would sign off on that?

I get the vacation low going to one month or the other.....but the no guarantee on vacation is an easy No Fing way. I can do the same thing on any month by just dropping a trip or two. That's is hardly vacation, thats time off without pay. If I wanted that I would just violate a few FARs.

 

[Nevets]

The company is saying if we don't agree they will transfer flying to SkyWest. Really? So how will SkyWest find enough pilots to take our routes? Even if this is a cost neutral contract, how does approving this benefit the company? The only way this TA will benefit the company is for this to be a pay cut overall. At a minimum, surely this is cost neutral. So why would you lose flying if overall nothing has changed? Smoke and mirrors. I don't buy it.

Since they won't let us strike, if we vote this down it will be our equivalent of our strike.

 

[wms]

I heard the same thing about vacation low, with the additional concession of no min guarantee--i.e. if you choose vacation low and credit 64 hours, you get paid 64 hours. So it's not really vacation, it's really time off without pay. No thanks.

Let's hope what I heard was wrong. After all, who would think we would sign off on that?

I bid vaca low but still do 75 hours on a vaca month turning seven days into four weeks with carry over vaca. But I will still vote no.

We weren't allowed to strike in 07 but the point still got across.

There is not enough staffing in the industry to cover our flying and besides, the fleet is going to have to shrink due to all the pilots that will be leaving. The company is going to get its wish of transferring airplanes, but for reasons other than leverage against labor.

PS, I committed to voting no the moment we went into negotiations and still do.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I bid vaca low but still do 75 hours on a vaca month turning seven days into four weeks with carry over vaca. But I will still vote no.

What is the point of crediting 75 hours if you're bidding Vacation Low? You can credit 65 and get paid 75.

Regardless, this option is G-O-N-E.

The thing that PBS was sold on, is outta here.

I'm gonna read the TA, but this is a show stopper for me. Sorry ALPs, try again you nincompoops. 200 sessions for this wad of joy.