ExpressJet (CRJ) assignments in class

[timeless]

Hey folks, I'm in class for the CRJ. 14 of us, myself included, were assigned CR7 ATL and one CR7 DTW.

Anyone have ideas why a new hire would get a CR7 ATL assignment. I didn't expect that seat to be junior.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Somehow they've determined you're more fit to handle the "heavy". Our 777. Be proud!

 

[timeless]

I live about 15 minutes from DFW so getting the 700 in class wasn't a good surprise. Neither was learning about the 18 month seat freeze.

About 6/7 people in class want the 200 so they can get to IAD or DFW without having to wait 18 months. We've been told that even if we find people senior to us that want the 700 we can't swap. I'm not familiar enough with the contract to know if this should be possible.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I live about 15 minutes from DFW so getting the 700 in class wasn't a good surprise. Neither was learning about the 18 month seat freeze.

About 6/7 people in class want the 200 so they can get to IAD or DFW without having to wait 18 months. We've been told that even if we find people senior to us that want the 700 we can't swap. I'm not familiar enough with the contract to know if this should be possible.

Unbelievable! Complaining already? This should work out great when you get to fly with a crusty old CR7 Captain.

 

[timeless]

Just trying to figure out how bases are assigned and if swaps are possible. It could end up helping guys that want the 700 in ATL.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Don't know if getting on the CR2 will be possible....shrinking fleet, unless more American flying comes along, then you may find more senior folks wanting to bid that.
Swaps? Not very likely.

I think you will have to stay where you are until some more opportunities pop up. By the way, seat freezes are usually waived when the company solicits for new positions.

Just do your job, and try not to get stressed about this too much for now.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I think you should call Charlie Tutt at home. Tell him you don't want to fly the 700.

 

[timeless]

Don't know if getting on the CR2 will be possible....shrinking fleet, unless more American flying comes along, then you may find more senior folks wanting to bid that.
Swaps? Not very likely.

I think you will have to stay where you are until some more opportunities pop up. By the way, seat freezes are usually waived when the company solicits for new positions.

Just do your job, and try not to get stressed about this too much for now.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Clutch]

You sure you wanna work here, bruh? Can't you see you'll be surrounded by a-holes..

 

[RJLoser]

No doubt. Nice welcoming to a new hire at your airline.

 

[bigshooter107]

Good place to work... 700 is great to fly... U will be seat locked... The 700 is in Atl and dtw....the contract says u will not be locked if your traing is differences 5 days or less I believe. But the company is spending cheese on your training, ATP etc as a new hire so u are kinda stuck..... For now. 200s will begin shrinking in Atl at the end of the summer...welcome to the heavy jet...LOL

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You sure you wanna work here, bruh? Can't you see you'll be surrounded by a-holes..

Sniveling before even starting class, congrats you have the essence of a modern day airline pilot!

 

[Clutch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVD4xwgtnc4

Surrounded by a_sholes

 

[Trcb777]

Haha......Keep firing a$$holes

 

[pilotnbr1]

When a bid comes out the company does not always hold pilots to their freezes. In fact I believe the last position notice was the first one in some time to actually enforce the freeze.

On a side note-
As of the last notice- enforcing the freeze creates issues because the award program from Skywest IT does not take freezes into account and forces all involved to go through the award by hand..... Of course that could quickly change with a software update..

 

[IFLYASA]

I kust flew with a new hire ATL200 FO. He wants DTW700 but his whole class got ATL200. He's upset because this is a harder commute. It does sound backwards. It's not like it's that hard to swap over.

 

[centralpilot]

I kust flew with a new hire ATL200 FO. He wants DTW700 but his whole class got ATL200. He's upset because this is a harder commute. It does sound backwards. It's not like it's that hard to swap over.

It does cost the company money however. Sim time isn't cheap.

 

[timeless]

The award process is somewhat vague. I thought it would be a continuous process based on standing bids, but it doesn't seem to work like that. What are the criteria for a new bid to come out? Is it possible to switch bases between bids if no training is required?

 

[Clutch]

The criteria for a new award? It has to be at least 6 months after Charles F. Tutt realizes that we are 10 months overdue for one.

 

[centralpilot]

The award process is somewhat vague. I thought it would be a continuous process based on standing bids, but it doesn't seem to work like that. What are the criteria for a new bid to come out? Is it possible to switch bases between bids if no training is required?

They should be posted at least monthly unless there are no vacancies/reductions. The company may, at its discretion, assign new hire pilots to their initial categories after all other pilots have bid on position notices. Once assigned a category (CR2 or CR7) a new hire pilot may bid for domicile in seniority order; if a pilot doesn't bid the company can assign any domicile.

That's by the book anyway. I couldn't say how it is actually happening at the moment.

 

[aa73]

Forgive an "old" guy who's been out of the regional loop for years, but aren't the CRJ-200 and CRJ-700 the same type rating/cockpit and pay the same? why would the 700 go senior if the above is true? To my convoluted mind it would be as if a 737-700 went junior to a 737-800 just because it's a few feet shorter.

 

[resetjet]

Forgive an "old" guy who's been out of the regional loop for years, but aren't the CRJ-200 and CRJ-700 the same type rating/cockpit and pay the same? why would the 700 go senior if the above is true? To my convoluted mind it would be as if a 737-700 went junior to a 737-800 just because it's a few feet shorter.

Same type, same cockpit (mostly) definitely NOT the same pay. Having flown both it may appear the same looking around the cockpit but the difference in control feel and performance is HUGE!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Crickets......

.......waiting for the supermen and ironwomen to chime in and tell us that they're supremely qualified to fly all types, all day long.

With 10K hours on the breed, and having flown all three, it's just not a super idea. Heck, the ones about to chime in are the ones who probably after five years still swap the bleeds backwards on the -200.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Same type, same cockpit (mostly) definitely NOT the same pay. Having flown both it may appear the same looking around the cockpit but the difference in control feel and performance is HUGE!

Every system on the -700 and -900 are modified. They may be of Bombardier heirship but operate differently and have different controls and indications. The flows are different, profiles, and flying technique are IMO too different for common-type. But it was granted without my input.

SkyWest does it. But hey, they didn't really have a choice.

 

[Clutch]

Crickets......

.......waiting for the supermen and ironwomen to chime in and tell us that they're supremely qualified to fly all types, all day long.

With 10K hours on the breed, and having flown all three, it's just not a super idea. Heck, the ones about to chime in are the ones who probably after five years still swap the bleeds backwards on the -200.

Oh no!!! Not swapping the bleeds in the wrong order! *gasp

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Indicative indeed.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Does the 700 have the same 50 cent piece sized ADI as the 200?

 

[aa73]

Thx guys. So I guess $$$ is what makes it go senior... makes sense.

 

[centralpilot]

Thx guys. So I guess $$$ is what makes it go senior... makes sense.

That, better trips, the occasional first class meal, and the 700 design fixed most of what is wrong with the 200.

 

[ex j-41]

Well it beats starting out on a 1900 doing 9 legs a day right?