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Having worked for both carriers, let me tell you, this is a case of the grass is greener. The difference is night and day between the two airlines. One is run like a 50 pilot, 10 plane operation (even though they have over 4 times as many) and the other is run like a true airline. You will realize this on the 31st of the month and your next month schedule isn't out yet or when you're doing your 10th 3 am Part 91 ferry.

When I read that you turned it down, my first thought was DUDE?!
 
Secret Squirrel said:
Jerkin gear? Are you serious or just being an ass...etc., etc., etc....

Talk about being an ass... he said he had an INTERVIEW with XJ, not a JOB.

Is it so hard to believe that someone might turn down an interview with XJ because they are happy with another choice?
 
ERfly said:
Having worked for both carriers, let me tell you, this is a case of the grass is greener. The difference is night and day between the two airlines. One is run like a 50 pilot, 10 plane operation (even though they have over 4 times as many) and the other is run like a true airline. You will realize this on the 31st of the month and your next month schedule isn't out yet or when you're doing your 10th 3 am Part 91 ferry.

When I read that you turned it down, my first thought was DUDE?!

Me too. I flew the 1900 at Colgan and am now at Comair. As far as QOL and airline operations, absolutely night and day. Ofcourse the $38/hour 2nd year pay doesn't hurt either. I can appreciate a "quick upgrade", but, well, to go WHERE??? A Saab or B190 skipper will be doing the goatrope at Colgan for YEARS before they have enough prop time to be considered competitive for Southwest/Airtran/Jetblue. Prepare for a Colgan career.
 
Chosen One said:
A Saab or B190 skipper will be doing the goatrope at Colgan for YEARS before they have enough prop time to be considered competitive for Southwest/Airtran/Jetblue. Prepare for a Colgan career.

That may be true for SWA and JB, but Air Tran seems to love the B1900 or Saab "prop" drivers. They hire 'em in droves. I have an idea why, but I'll just leave it at that.
 
msk2468 said:
I hear what you are saying about qol etc... but I was just hired into the saab and the upgrade is currently about a year and a half and the second year captain pay is 42/hour which equal to a ninth year expressJet FO. So there is an upside

Upside??? What upside? You are a captain making an FO wage at another regional airline.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Upside??? What upside? You are a captain making an FO wage at another regional airline.

Yeah a nine year FO. In a year and a half one could (possibly) be making 42/hour instead of 23-32/hour somewhere else as an fo. Pretty complicated huh? I haven't worked there, I am just looking at the bright side. Comair/express jet etc....arent exactly beating down everyone's doors down. Its still competitive out there because guys with 121 experience are still jumping around and not necessarily up. One has to start somewhere. I waited the four months for express Jet and right around when they called is when they decided you need prior 135/121 experience as stated in the email sent out to many guys with a lot of time. Colgan is 121 last time I checked. Its real easy to knock things from a cushy position, but a man's gotta do.....well we'll see.
 
I.P. Freely

I said he was an idiot for considering an F.O. job as jerking gear. If that is all you do at Colgan than you earn every penny of that 12 grand a year. People are always bringing up Colgan as a dangerous place with unsafe mx. If all things considered Colgan is where he is happy than that is great. It just seems like a short sighted choice to me. And maybe you should read posts before responding.

ASS

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I just got a call yesterday too as well. But i was just recently hired with Horizon and start training this week so i turned it down as well. I put my stuff in the end of January.
 
Secret Squirrel said:
I.P. Freely

I said he was an idiot for considering an F.O. job as jerking gear. Etc., etc., etc...

You have the sense of humor of a rutabaga. I suppose this is the first time ever you've seen someone refer to the right seat as "jerking gear"??

Sorry, didn't realize you were Larry Literal. In future I will assume that you have no concept of metaphor, humor, or colloqialism.
 
well, the case is that turbine pic counts for a lot. and if need be, can always go to xjet for a year to get the jet time.
 
Icelandair said:
I just got a call yesterday too as well. But i was just recently hired with Horizon and start training this week so i turned it down as well. I put my stuff in the end of January.

Enjoy Horizon! Are you going to the Q200 or 400?
 
msk2468 said:
Yeah a nine year FO. In a year and a half one could (possibly) be making 42/hour instead of 23-32/hour somewhere else as an fo. Pretty complicated huh? I haven't worked there, I am just looking at the bright side. Comair/express jet etc....arent exactly beating down everyone's doors down. Its still competitive out there because guys with 121 experience are still jumping around and not necessarily up. One has to start somewhere. I waited the four months for express Jet and right around when they called is when they decided you need prior 135/121 experience as stated in the email sent out to many guys with a lot of time. Colgan is 121 last time I checked. Its real easy to knock things from a cushy position, but a man's gotta do.....well we'll see.

Cushy position??? I wouldn't exactly call Colgan a cushy position. Let us see, what have I dealt with with Colgan over the last few millenium... broken seats, broken seat belts, cracked window. cabin door that won't latch, carpet that slides all around the floor of the cabin, smoking circuit breaker, failed flaps, failed bleeds, failed environmental system, faulty pressurization, failed comm radio, failed nose wheel steering, faulty low pitch stops that try to yaw you off the runway, autofeather problems, fire protection system failures, icing equipment failure, leaky engine (fuel) due to improper repair of a diverter line, leaky engine (oil), EFIS malfunctions, low pressure fuel pump failure, DC generator and AC bus failures, improperly tightened cowling bolts, fuel cap left off of aircraft, and several months of over guarantee pay that I had to chase down. Come to think of it, what haven't I dealt with. Knock on wood, an engine failure. CUSHY job? You don't know what you are talking about. Every day it is something new at Colgan, every phone conference it is the same old uninspiring jibber jabber about standardization or automating the pay system. Enough said, suffice it to say, it is not a cushy position. It is 121, it is experience, and I have learned a great deal, BUT given the opportunity to come to Colgan or go to another regional carrier, I would highly recommend entertaining the latter option. Pick a place you want to be for awhile, stepping stone don't always turn out to be stepping stones.
 
Beech, I was directing that cushy statement to the guys who made it on with comair, etc... and who were knocking colgan. Sorry man, good, passionate post though.



beechcowboy said:
Cushy position??? I wouldn't exactly call Colgan a cushy position. Let us see, what have I dealt with with Colgan over the last few millenium... broken seats, broken seat belts, cracked window. cabin door that won't latch, carpet that slides all around the floor of the cabin, smoking circuit breaker, failed flaps, failed bleeds, failed environmental system, faulty pressurization, failed comm radio, failed nose wheel steering, faulty low pitch stops that try to yaw you off the runway, autofeather problems, fire protection system failures, icing equipment failure, leaky engine (fuel) due to improper repair of a diverter line, leaky engine (oil), EFIS malfunctions, low pressure fuel pump failure, DC generator and AC bus failures, improperly tightened cowling bolts, fuel cap left off of aircraft, and several months of over guarantee pay that I had to chase down. Come to think of it, what haven't I dealt with. Knock on wood, an engine failure. CUSHY job? You don't know what you are talking about. Every day it is something new at Colgan, every phone conference it is the same old uninspiring jibber jabber about standardization or automating the pay system. Enough said, suffice it to say, it is not a cushy position. It is 121, it is experience, and I have learned a great deal, BUT given the opportunity to come to Colgan or go to another regional carrier, I would highly recommend entertaining the latter option. Pick a place you want to be for awhile, stepping stone don't always turn out to be stepping stones.
 
msk2468 said:
Beech, I was directing that cushy statement to the guys who made it on with comair, etc... and who were knocking colgan. Sorry man, good, passionate post though.

Do realize, I said I flew the 1900 at Colgan before heading to Comair. These comments aren't from folks in cushy positions with no actual Colgan experience... That being said, I am very greatful for my time spent at Colgan, but trust me, there is an amazing difference and you should weigh other opportunities.
 
beechcowboy said:
every phone conference it is the same old uninspiring jibber jabber about standardization or automating the pay system.

Yes and remember, fill out the mx log sheets proprely. We don't want anyone going down the "primrose path." This is a zero-tolerance industry.
 
Thank you, I try to be as eloquent as possible when I go off on a childish rant.



msk2468 said:
Beech, I was directing that cushy statement to the guys who made it on with comair, etc... and who were knocking colgan. Sorry man, good, passionate post though.
 
ERfly said:
Yes and remember, fill out the mx log sheets proprely. We don't want anyone going down the "primrose path." This is a zero-tolerance industry.

AND, next month we will be investing in spell check software so that we can post our weekly meeting minutes without a host of grammatical and spelling errors. THAT IS, if we post the minutes at all.
 

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