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Whine Lover

Whine Lover

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Excuse Me...I Thought That...

....This was the Airtran " Don't Tread On ME "...."Give me Everything Or Give Me Death!" ...New Hampshire "Live FREE or DIE!" ....Board.

Awful quiet lately...?

Sure does seem that all of you have piped down after having it handed to you by the "Powers That Be".

Now you will just STFU and take it. (?)

You should hang your MEC, sue ALPA, and get a Pair.

You have trumped the Fools at Frontier by a Huge Margin.

Enjoy the rewards these Morons have attained for you.

YKMKR

P.S. - I was previously neither "Pro" SWA or AAI. Reality dictates that certain parties here are just plain messed UP....
 
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Whine Lover said:
....This was the Airtran " Don't Tread On ME "...."Give me Everything Or Give Me Death!" ...New Hampshire "Live FREE or DIE!" ....Board.

Awful quiet lately...?

Sure does seem that all of you have piped down after having it handed to you by the "Powers That Be".

Now you will just STFU and take it. (?)

You should hang your MEC, sue ALPA, and get a Pair.

You have trumped the Fools at Frontier by a Huge Margin.

Enjoy the rewards these Morons have attained for you.

YKMKR

P.S. - I was previously neither "Pro" SWA or AAI. Reality dictates that certain parties here are just plain messed UP....
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Could not have said it any better.......right on, right on , right on the mark.......ALPA should be run out of business outlawed and shut down, I hope the Clampett's vote no and find themselves on the street in a matter of days.......greedy pricks

plesae vote no and see what the next offer is
 
Whine Lover said:
....This was the Airtran " Don't Tread On ME "...."Give me Everything Or Give Me Death!" ...New Hampshire "Live FREE or DIE!" ....Board.

Awful quiet lately...?

Sure does seem that all of you have piped down after having it handed to you by the "Powers That Be".

Now you will just STFU and take it. (?)

You should hang your MEC, sue ALPA, and get a Pair.

You have trumped the Fools at Frontier by a Huge Margin.


Enjoy the rewards these Morons have attained for you.

YKMKR

P.S. - I was previously neither "Pro" SWA or AAI. Reality dictates that certain
parties here are just plain messed UP....
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How about you just let the process work, as signed by all parties? The first offer was soundly rejected because the majority of the MEC, which represents the line pilots, thought it was a slap in the face. The bottom 60% of their list into the bottom 20% of the combined list? That, along with junior SWA FOs upgrading before senior AT FOs is crazy. Anything they get now seniority wise
that is better than the initial offer is a huge win for them, and the money will eventually be there. If this next offer isn't substantially better than the first, I think we all know where it might go next!


Godspeed!


OYS
 
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flynvixen said:
Could not have said it any better.......right on, right on , right on the mark.......ALPA should be run out of business outlawed and shut down, I hope the Clampett's vote no and find themselves on the street in a matter of days.......greedy pricks

plesae vote no and see what the next offer is
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Looks like you guys are the ones who fear ALPA. They stood up to SWAPA and looks like will get a better deal in the process.


Godspeed!


OYS
 
They stood up to SWAPA

SWAPA, the MEC rejected an agreement designed by SWA!! SWA mgmt has exercised the right to intervene in negotiations...if they have a bias towards protecting SWAPA pilot seniority, again that is their decision...
 
madjack said:
They stood up to SWAPA

SWAPA, the MEC rejected an agreement designed by SWA!! SWA mgmt has exercised the right to intervene in negotiations...if they have a bias towards protecting SWAPA pilot seniority, again that is their decision...
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I agree. I've been saying for MONTHS that AAI ALPA hasn't been just negotiating with SWAPA, but

SWAPA
SW management
SW shareholders (the employees own alot of stock)

and to some extent their own pilots now with this latest upheavel.
 
flynvixen said:
Could not have said it any better.......right on, right on , right on the mark.......ALPA should be run out of business outlawed and shut down, I hope the Clampett's vote no and find themselves on the street in a matter of days.......greedy pricks

plesae vote no and see what the next offer is
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I'm guessing you're not among the SW folks who promise that us "Clampetts" won't be second-class citizens when (and if) we arrive on the SWA MSL.

Your internet persona is as bad as they come...a true one-tenth of a one-percenter. I'm sure you're much nicer in real life, right?

Edit: I actually agree with most of your rants regarding ALPA...they truly suck donkey balls. You, however, extend your wrath toward the AAI pilot group as individuals. That's just mean and lacking any grace, whatsoever.
 
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"You, however, extend your wrath toward the AAI pilot group as individuals."

This is FI...gloves off slamming is an accepted way of communicating...occasionally some decent info comes out...

It is quite simple: AAI pilots want seniority and the pay and benefits of the SWA CBA...SWA pilots do not want to give up their seniority...these mutually exclusive goals naturally create a lack of trust (at the least) between the parties...

SWA mgmt has decided to intervene in negotiations (which is their right) and has presented two proposals to date. The first proposal was accepted by the SWA NC and BOD (and the AAI MC) but the AAI MEC did not forward it the membership. The second proposal was again presented by SWA mgmt and is rumored to have removed the financial incentives of the first agreement with some marginal changes to the actual AIP1 SL. During the latest negotiations SWA Mgmt shared strategic objectives with the MC and NC. The AAI MEC decided to let the MC negotiate another agreement based on the most recent SWA SL proposal...

There is a chance that both parties may do what is unprecedented: agree to an MSL that is negotiated vs arbitrated. The choice will ultimately lie with the AAI/SWA pilots (not pilots from DAL or AL).

That is really all there is to it...the process is moving along and I suppose we will get the real deal next week if another AIP is reached...
 
Can't speak for the others, but I don't want to see SWA turn into another USAir debacle. So arguing about the integration is pointless. I feel like we gave it our best shot and now it's time to move on. Flyinvixen likes to talk about how ALPA pilots enjoy "burning their house down". Perhaps AirTran pilots don't fit that mold. Besides this isn't about the SWA pilots or even SWAPA. Its about Gary Kelly dictating how it's going to be. The bottom line is this deal should still be good for our guys close to retirement. It's going to be great for our guys with 20 plus years of career ahead of them. And even for the guys who will retire in the right seat, it will still have some merits. Thats my take on why the board is quiet. That and it was getting old.
 
" ...But, the AAI MEC did not forward it the membership."

BING-FARGING-GO.

THIS factor alone is ( AND always has been ) The Achilles Heel of most ALPA MEC's / NC's.

Simply put, it is a Human Factor totally related to the Type A / Ego Driven Personalities that make up any Pilot Group.

"WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU."


If and when, the members of any given MEC can come to the ironically EASY conclusion that it is best to let OTHER's decide their own fate ( if only to escape blame, for Christ's Sake. ) they will do THEMSELVES and ALL those they supposedly serve... a GREAT SERVICE.

Until then, we will watch the Frontier's and Airtran's as we have watched COUNTLESS previous similar cases in past airline history... IMPLODE.

Nothing changes.

Ever.

History is doomed to repeat itself.


Love,

Me
 
clampetts and trannies

flynvixen said:
Could not have said it any better.......right on, right on , right on the mark.......ALPA should be run out of business outlawed and shut down, I hope the Clampett's vote no and find themselves on the street in a matter of days.......greedy pricks

please vote no and see what the next offer is
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I hope they do vote NO. Why would anyone want to work with a bunch of swapa pricks and get treated like you say clampetts. Take your LUV and shovel it!
 
"I hope they do vote NO. Why would anyone want to work with a bunch of swapa pricks and get treated like you say clampetts."

Easily said when your livelihood is not on the line....
 
OK so how many resumes with AAI pilots sitting at the GO in Dallas? Many.

What about Orlando? Any WN pilots apply to AAI lately?

Will this matter? Don't know but if the SLI turns ugly a la Cactus the only viable solution seems to be this.

DIVESTMENT of assets.

If you ask for too much you may get nothing.
 
Again, the threats and attempted intimidation continue from the arrogant SWA homers. If the AAI guys REALLY have guts, they'll send this donkey straight to arbitration.
 
Thick

As a brick.

Binding arbitration means IF the lists integrate it is binding.

BUT, Gary doesn't have to merge the lists.

Then arbitration won't matter. Not a threat. Just explaining the process.

Why would he integrate a list that pissed off the 6,000 pilots who worked at his company BEFORE the acquisition? I'm betting he wouldn't. Sure he would like to reach an agreement, but he doesn't HAVE TO.
 
After this passes by a large margin, which it will, I expect the SWA guys to treat to treat us like brothers. Please don't kick us when we are down. :)
 
Fubijaakr said:
Again, the threats and attempted intimidation continue from the arrogant SWA homers. If the AAI guys REALLY have guts, they'll send this donkey straight to arbitration.
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I really like how you (a guy at Alaska) enjoys throwing the AAI pilots futures into the wind..

Really nice Clark.

RF
 
Sorry, RF. I just can't stand injustice. And that's exactly what you are trying to impose on AAI pilots.
 
AAI pilots injustice? They get acquired and overnight have an opportunity to go from crap-environment to best CBA in the industry.

SWA pilots gain?

"you guys get Atlanta."

Yippee. Just what we always wanted.

Honestly, if AAI pilots (who did not qualify to apply to WN at the time they were hired) are put ahead of SWA pilots (who did get hired and were qualified) how can you say those SWA pilots were not injured in this hypothetical process?

The knife cuts both ways.
 
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"Sorry, RF. I just can't stand injustice. And that's exactly what you are trying to impose on AAI pilots"

Let me get this straight...SWA pilots are arrogant, but an AL pilot and self proclaimed injustice fighter for AAI pilots is not suffering from a little bit of hubris?
 

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