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A-10_JetMech said:
Since the EtD announcement does anyone know the new applicant to resignation ratio? And is there any real chance of flying a small number of 200's? Some opinions are there may not even end up with enough to staff all of the 900 flying once all aircraft are in service.
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TW, the former MEC chair (that helped sell us this industry worst contract,...) Now the 119 chief pilot... has bet new hire (not plural for a reason) then had the balls to walk down the hall to recurrent where 7+ year never upgraded and 9+ year recently downgraded FO's sit and tell them that.... Do the math... if we have the attrition at the top to create the kind of movement to get a new hire upgraded in 2 years, this place is shutting down before that point. Don't be suckered by this snake oil salesman... Go to a place that pays at least an almost liveable wage like Eagle(Envoy) or SkyWest, or at least a place that now takes care of its commuters like Commutair. Or better yet fly cargo/corporate/charter where they take care of their people... you just have to live where you work.
 
TW may not be perfect, but he sure didn't sell us out. It was a bankruptcy, everyone takes hits even the guys who really own the airplanes that carry the pax around.

TW isn't your enemy. I used to think TW and BW had some sort of bromance going on, but even that is false.

TW needs to get the heck out of there, you all do. PR and BW have made it clear you all arent welcome at Delta's little plaything Endeavor Air. Most of you arent welcome at mainline either because regional pilots are less in their eyes.

Get gone or get offline and get to praying at a church of your favorite flavor, I'm worried it'll get worse there before it gets better.
 
jynxyjericho said:
TW may not be perfect, but he sure didn't sell us out. It was a bankruptcy, everyone takes hits even the guys who really own the airplanes that carry the pax around.

TW isn't your enemy. I used to think TW and BW had some sort of bromance going on, but even that is false.

TW needs to get the heck out of there, you all do. PR and BW have made it clear you all arent welcome at Delta's little plaything Endeavor Air. Most of you arent welcome at mainline either because regional pilots are less in their eyes.

Get gone or get offline and get to praying at a church of your favorite flavor, I'm worried it'll get worse there before it gets better.
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WTF? Tell me your being sarcastic or smoked up a reefer.
 
DLconnection said:
How does the flow through program work? If hired today.. How long before that new hire puts on the Delta uniform?
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They have to be a CA for 2 years before they flow to DL. We are currently shrinking due to working conditions and pay. We are downgrading so we can staff the right seat. At the current rate, a new hire will never see the left seat and will never go to DL.

Go to Compass.
 
Like some of us haven't been wholly owned before... ******************** come to think of it, I've been wholly owned three effing times now. NWA..Pincha********************ingnickle and now DL.
 
Indeed, but that doesn't mean I'm not trying to leave. Endeavor is the worst regional airline ever! It's gone to ********************! Well before the crap contract... three airlines merged and the end result is diarrhea. Three pilot groups that obviously dislike each-other for many reasons.. a toxic work environment, but I and many others will not let that effect our job performance (safety). Once you take a pilots seniority and trash it, you learn to say Fuk ALPA with a smile! Worthless turds vote them out.
 
A-10_JetMech said:
How long can 9e last at the attrition to new hire ratio before DL pulls the plug? Seems like EtD is a failure so far.
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Well there are plenty of 200s left to park. Obviously Delta would rather Endeavor grow and be this monster feed sucker, but that's been abysmal. Delta managment has to grow up and admit their failure and pour money into Endeavor, or grow up and admit to their other regional partners Endeavor was a failure and they're going to pony up the money to woo them away from all the American and United flying theyre picking up. Third option, milk Endeavor as long as they can and bring the flying in house.

Endeavor pay and work rules (and bases) will drive every pilot on property away and attract 4 dreamers a month.
 
jynxyjericho said:
Well there are plenty of 200s left to park. Obviously Delta would rather Endeavor grow and be this monster feed sucker, but that's been abysmal. Delta managment has to grow up and admit their failure and pour money into Endeavor, or grow up and admit to their other regional partners Endeavor was a failure and they're going to pony up the money to woo them away from all the American and United flying theyre picking up. Third option, milk Endeavor as long as they can and bring the flying in house.

Endeavor pay and work rules (and bases) will drive every pilot on property away and attract 4 dreamers a month.
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I have a feeling DL will bring more flying inhouse. DL has no problem attracting new pilots, and there are more 717s and 319s available if needed out there. Pax prefer them anyway, and you can easily replace a few RJ flights with a 717/319. Have you seen the replacement that has already occurred? The 717s go to places like EVV and LFT, while the 319 goes to ROA and CRW. That's a good thing.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
I have a feeling DL will bring more flying inhouse. DL has no problem attracting new pilots, and there are more 717s and 319s available if needed out there. Pax prefer them anyway, and you can easily replace a few RJ flights with a 717/319. Have you seen the replacement that has already occurred? The 717s go to places like EVV and LFT, while the 319 goes to ROA and CRW. That's a good thing.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Luckily I have 99 problems but Endeavor ain't one.
 
Just talked to DAL guy. He said they r hiring more than they need, as they want to get as many regional guys as they can, because they know the pilot shortage will worsen and they will have advantage over aa/ual as DAL will have taken guys early that would have gone to aa/ual later....and they are hoping most will stay, vs leaving for aa/ual later. He didn't say if DAL was concerned about losing his to overseas hiring.

At atlas we r starting to have problems as a result of the pilot shortage.
 
General Lee said:
I have a feeling DL will bring more flying inhouse. DL has no problem attracting new pilots, and there are more 717s and 319s available if needed out there. Pax prefer them anyway, and you can easily replace a few RJ flights with a 717/319. Have you seen the replacement that has already occurred? The 717s go to places like EVV and LFT, while the 319 goes to ROA and CRW. That's a good thing.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Uh oh, you better dust off those LBB charts and get that crow in the oven.
 

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