Endeavor Flow for New Hires

[Plug]

Think about it, all 3 legacies need to hire 5,000 pilots EACH within the next 7-10 years to replace retiring pilots only. Then throw in the LCCs, and there won't be enough pilots, period. The big 3 will start poaching pilots from the LCCs, and the LCCs will start hiring Regional FOs to try to keep them longer, hoping a lack of PIC will keep them around through an upgrade. They will add a training bond too (I think Frontier may have started this) to guarantee a few years on property. The other group that may fill in some hiring positions too could be the Expats that went overseas and figured out that their families wanted to come home or the Sandpit wasn't as hospitable as they had hoped. Regardless, it's gonna be interesting to watch. As the Regionals shrink the Big 3 are going to grab as many A319s or 717s as they can to cover the Regional routes.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Spot on General! At UAL we are seeing increases in A319 block hours to cover what was originally allotted to UAX because they don't have the staffing. I suspect that the trend will continue!

 

[CX880]

If you're a 23 yearold 1500 hour instructor you've got nothing to lose and may go for this but I don't think this will solve their recruitment issues.

 

[big shacks]

If you're an FO and you research..you wouldn't touch endeavor with a ten foot pole

 

[jynxyjericho]

So 8 EtD candidates went down to ATL today, 8. Some of these guys were held back from May class because they were too perfect, and they just had to show them to Delta.

How many got the thumbs up? Common. I want everyone to guess. Common... give you a hint, its a number lower than our SSP acceptance rate.

Your welcome everyone. Good night.

 

[i fly boxes]

This deal is awesome for one type of person. A 23 year old that lives in new york with his parents. For everyone else it sucks.
On a side note, this ssp improvement to a min of 210 to a max of 300 pilots per year that go to delta is actually a great improvement for our current pilots. Thats a lot of attrition which forces delta to hire more of our pilots but here is the thing, they can cancel it at any time without penalty and our FO's need more! Pay must be restored for them. If they are going to pay protect the displaced captains that proves they can afford it.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

So 8 EtD candidates went down to ATL today, 8. Some of these guys were held back from May class because they were too perfect, and they just had to show them to Delta.

How many got the thumbs up? Common. I want everyone to guess. Common... give you a hint, its a number lower than our SSP acceptance rate.

Your welcome everyone. Good night.

Why would they go to ATL? 9E is doing the interviews with the "same" Delta process in MSP. Plus I don't think the EtD becomes active until the 15th of this month.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Why would they go to ATL? 9E is doing the interviews with the "same" Delta process in MSP. Plus I don't think the EtD becomes active until the 15th of this month.

Dont care what you think. Answer was 0.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Dont care what you think. Answer was 0.

If they sent Endeavor candidates down to ATL to interview before (I think) the effective date of the EtD program, it's news to me. Thanks all I was saying.

 

[gunfyter]

God forbid anyone raise the pay to keep pilots on the property

 

[xjhawk]

one of my questions I have been asking is how our union can allow Delta seniority list pilots to fly out planes? For that matter, how can a pilot who holds a Delta SN be flying a CRJ 900 and not be getting Delta CRJ 900 rates?

 

[jynxyjericho]

one of my questions I have been asking is how our union can allow Delta seniority list pilots to fly out planes? For that matter, how can a pilot who holds a Delta SN be flying a CRJ 900 and not be getting Delta CRJ 900 rates?

Because you think our legal dept didn't think of that april-june? Isn't it reasonable to assume the Delta legal guys found a way to do this because it was unthought of until now? ALPA national would love to see a flow from regional to brand, just not like this where everyone on property gets their teeth kicked in.

Anyway, why do you think the EtD guy gets a number at Delta, neither of us had a number and we had a flow? Compass pilots didn't have a number either.

 

[General Lee]

one of my questions I have been asking is how our union can allow Delta seniority list pilots to fly out planes? For that matter, how can a pilot who holds a Delta SN be flying a CRJ 900 and not be getting Delta CRJ 900 rates?

Do they get a number right away, or like the Compass guys a spot at Delta eventually?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Do they get a number right away, or like the Compass guys a spot at Delta eventually?


Bye Bye---General Lee

They don't get a number right away. It's more of a conditional job offer based on a number of factors (2 years as CA, training failures, discipline, etc). If they meet all of those criteria, then they will be offered a job at Delta without doing the interview.

 

[big shacks]

So in other words it's worthless. 2 year captain requirement is the obvious problem. Upgrades??? That's hilarious

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Delta will be announcing another wide body purchase soon, along with that more RJs, which will most likely come to Endeavor. It's all part of their buisness plan.

 

[3GRNDWN]

FO's submitting resignation letters in mass quantities. Epic failure...guaranteed this will just accelerate the Comair = Bendover process. It makes absolutely zero sense to stay here....even if you're a 6-7 year FO. Get out! Get out now! 37k ain't worth it...7 years you can't ever get back. Don't make it another 7

This is happening right now at XJT/ASA with a lot of 7 1/2 year or less FO's leaving for somewhere else. 166 FO's resigned vs 138 CAPT's so far this year. Some having gone to the majors, LCCs, corporate, and others left the industry. The numbers will increase throughout the year. Most, if not all, FO's at XJT/ASA (and 9E) have realized that their career progression is going nowhere in their current position, and they possess the experience & credentials to move on to somewhere that pays better. If not pay, a better quality of life. All regionals, not just Endeavor, will have a difficult time finding FO's, regardless of whatever BS "agreement" is being offered for bait from their corresponding mainline dictator.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Delta will be announcing another wide body purchase soon, along with that more RJs, which will most likely come to Endeavor. It's all part of their buisness plan.

It's unlikely those planes will be announced for Endeavor when we've got a staffing issue. However, Delta is famous for Indian giving an airplane to 4 different regionals, and giving them none. Never mind that ASA gets first dibs contractually as long as they'll park 200s, last I looked.

My guess
Plan A, EtD works.
Plan B, EtD fails, buy a regional for the staffing
Plan C, Plan B fails, go down to 81 900s
Plan D, Plan C fails, bye bye.

Hopefully I'm completely wrong.

 

[General Lee]

Delta will be announcing another wide body purchase soon, along with that more RJs, which will most likely come to Endeavor. It's all part of their buisness plan.

Uhhhhhh, there is still a limit on the number of larger RJs. (Even if Mainline orders more widebodies) With the way staffing is going at all of the Regionals (or lack thereof), I'd say Delta will be looking for more 717s or even A319s to take up the slack. There is no hiring shortage at Delta, yet. Have you noticed the 717s at Myrtle Beach, Gainsville, Lexington, Gulfport, and XNA? Those sure do seem like old ASA routes.(and mainline routes before that). DL will get 42 717s this year alone according to the Q1 conference call, and I hear they might be looking for more. (9 will be available soon apparently from Blue1 airlines in Denmark). But, that will mean more mainline jobs available too.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Uhhhhhh, there is still a limit on the number of larger RJs. (Even if Mainline orders more widebodies) With the way staffing is going at all of the Regionals (or lack thereof), I'd say Delta will be looking for more 717s or even A319s to take up the slack. There is no hiring shortage at Delta, yet. Have you noticed the 717s at Myrtle Beach, Gainsville, Lexington, Gulfport, and XNA? Those sure do seem like old ASA routes.(and mainline routes before that). DL will get 42 717s this year alone according to the Q1 conference call, and I hear they might be looking for more. (9 will be available soon apparently from Blue1 airlines in Denmark). But, that will mean more mainline jobs available too.


Bye Bye---General Lee

It was supposed to be a sarcastic post, but I can see how some would misinterpret it. For the record, I do hope Delta continues to pursue other narrow body aircraft other than RJs along with their wide body purchases. It's just seems funny to me that Delta and Endeavor management keep saying that the staffing issues here at Endeavor are keeping Delta from proceding with their "business plan".

 

[BuckMurdock1]

God forbid anyone raise the pay to keep pilots on the property

Bingo. It all boils down to this. This is quite a defining moment in our industry with potential to make a unified profound statement; enough is enough! You can't continue to dangle carrot after carrot to band-aid over the real issue---we are professionals who deserve to be compensated as such; whether it's an RJ or a 747. Now the supply/demand pendulum finally is swinging in our favor.