Emirates Interview

[AGVMIA]

The 30T requirement is complete and utter BS!! Tell me how a guy with 8000+ hours (all corporate jets), 5 jet type ratings, almost all jet PIC, almost all glass cockpit, state of the art cockpit, going into all different types of airports, short fields, mountain airports, large airports, international flying, crossing the pond, have to do own performance calculations/considerations, etc, is less qualified to fly a 777 than a guy who maybe has half the time but in a 737, A330 or something similar, going to the same airports all the time, has no clue about performance considerations, and basically is a robot of the airline? When we were hiring throughout the 2000's I used to get guys from the airlines (both in the sim and IOE) and boy were most completely full of sh.. and had no idea how to "legally" get out of a mountain airport because they were always handed everything!!

Yeah I can see how the guy who has the same amount of flight time as me except everything handed in a silver platter is more qualified than me to be a 777 F/O. Yup, very clear.

 

[Dumbluck]

your argument is the reason...They want guys who fit the mold. Also, Flight Saftey type rides are pretty lax compard to airline training standards. Its more about following procedure than using your own head. The last thing most international places want is someone who can think for themselves. Captain is always right, even into the side of a mountain

 

[AGVMIA]

your argument is the reason...They want guys who fit the mold. Also, Flight Saftey type rides are pretty lax compard to airline training standards. Its more about following procedure than using your own head. The last thing most international places want is someone who can think for themselves. Captain is always right, even into the side of a mountain

I've had several airline check rides as well, so that statement is not true...

However, the argument about following the system, not thinking for yourself, the Captain is always right, fitting the mold, dead on. Sad, but true.

That is why they prefer a 250 hour TT kid they trained from scratch, who knows only their ways, who will fly the airplane into the mountain, stall the airplane because he can only read the instrument and only react to what he knows, etc. The international recruiting airlines basically want monkeys who can follow directions. So you are completely correct in this sense!!

 

[typhoonpilot]

The 30T requirement is complete and utter BS!! Tell me how a guy with 8000+ hours (all corporate jets), 5 jet type ratings, almost all jet PIC, almost all glass cockpit, state of the art cockpit, going into all different types of airports, short fields, mountain airports, large airports, international flying, crossing the pond, have to do own performance calculations/considerations, etc, is less qualified to fly a 777 than a guy who maybe has half the time but in a 737, A330 or something similar, going to the same airports all the time, has no clue about performance considerations, and basically is a robot of the airline? When we were hiring throughout the 2000's I used to get guys from the airlines (both in the sim and IOE) and boy were most completely full of sh.. and had no idea how to "legally" get out of a mountain airport because they were always handed everything!!

Yeah I can see how the guy who has the same amount of flight time as me except everything handed in a silver platter is more qualified than me to be a 777 F/O. Yup, very clear.

I agree completely about the 30 tonne requirement. Arbitrary numbers like that never make sense.

Might go easier on airline pilots though. You are referencing U.S. airlines in general. Many U.S. airline pilots come from a corporate or regional pilot background. Others come from the military. I wouldn't call them inexperienced in the least. True they have it easier in that they get a lot more support than a corporate pilot. After awhile they will forget a lot of that early stuff like how to get a clearance at an uncontrolled field.

Pilots know what they need to know. Most can be taught or learn from experience.

The pilots at EK do there own takeoff performance calculations. They must be knowledgeable on international procedures to a greater extent than most airline pilots since they operate to just about every corner of the world. The ones that can't think for themselves will fail upgrade.

I would love to see EK start hiring corporate pilots or military pilots with no airline time. What I wouldn't want to see though is a know it all who typecasts all pilots based on their present position; thinks he is better than airline pilots; and has nothing to learn.



Typhoonpilot

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

I agree completely about the 30 tonne requirement. Arbitrary numbers like that never make sense.

Might go easier on airline pilots though. You are referencing U.S. airlines in general. Many U.S. airline pilots come from a corporate or regional pilot background. Others come from the military. I wouldn't call them inexperienced in the least. True they have it easier in that they get a lot more support than a corporate pilot. After awhile they will forget a lot of that early stuff like how to get a clearance at an uncontrolled field.

Pilots know what they need to know. Most can be taught or learn from experience.

The pilots at EK do there own takeoff performance calculations. They must be knowledgeable on international procedures to a greater extent than most airline pilots since they operate to just about every corner of the world. The ones that can't think for themselves will fail upgrade.

I would love to see EK start hiring corporate pilots or military pilots with no airline time. What I wouldn't want to see though is a know it all who typecasts all pilots based on their present position; thinks he is better than airline pilots; and has nothing to learn.



Typhoonpilot

The 30T requirement is complete and utter BS!! Tell me how a guy with 8000+ hours (all corporate jets), 5 jet type ratings, almost all jet PIC, almost all glass cockpit, state of the art cockpit, going into all different types of airports, short fields, mountain airports, large airports, international flying, crossing the pond, have to do own performance calculations/considerations, etc, is less qualified to fly a 777 than a guy who maybe has half the time but in a 737, A330 or something similar, going to the same airports all the time, has no clue about performance considerations, and basically is a robot of the airline? When we were hiring throughout the 2000's I used to get guys from the airlines (both in the sim and IOE) and boy were most completely full of sh.. and had no idea how to "legally" get out of a mountain airport because they were always handed everything!!

Yeah I can see how the guy who has the same amount of flight time as me except everything handed in a silver platter is more qualified than me to be a 777 F/O. Yup, very clear.

I'd have to agree with TP's assessment. Only I would have said it like this..."dude, you have no idea what you're talking about". Anyone with an CPL can calculate performance...just because you open the QRH more than airline pilots do doesn't make you special.

 

[AGVMIA]

I'd have to agree with TP's assessment. Only I would have said it like this..."dude, you have no idea what you're talking about". Anyone with an CPL can calculate performance...just because you open the QRH more than airline pilots do doesn't make you special.

Yeah, I can see how Emirates provides MANDATORY hypoxia training, high altitude upset recovery, extensive icing training, plus extensive scenario based training. Yup, I can see how I am not qualified!!

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

Relax man. Give it time. Given hiring trends across the world I have the feeling that EK won't have the luxury of being so strict on requirements in the near future. If you truly have a hard-on for applying at EK...you'll get your chance. However, if you show up with the attitude that you're better than your fellow applicants because of your 'extensive' knowledge on hypoxia, high altitude aerodynamics, icing, and Yeager like abilities in the sim...you'll promptly be shown the door. Good Luck.

 

[Sunnfun]

Yeah, I can see how Emirates provides MANDATORY hypoxia training, high altitude upset recovery, extensive icing training, plus extensive scenario based training. Yup, I can see how I am not qualified!!

With that attitude you'll probably won't make it throught the first day of the interview. I'd like to see you trying though...

 

[3blade]

If one has time in aircraft over 30t does it need to be PIC? I have a little over 1500 ERJ-170 but its all SIC.

 

[Sunnfun]

If one has time in aircraft over 30t does it need to be PIC? I have a little over 1500 ERJ-170 but its all SIC.

No, none of the hourly requirements need to be PIC:

Requirements: For the position of First Officer (prior to joining):

A minimum of 4000 hours total flying time (may include 25% P3 or FEO time to a max of 500 hr).

A minimum of 2000 hours multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft. (P3 time cannot be used for this requirement).

OR

A minimum of 2500 hours total flying time on a modern commercial multi-engine, multi-crew aircraft jet. (P3 time cannot be used for this requirement)

Must hold a valid ICAO ATPL

English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension); ICAO English level (4 or above)

Type rated would be advantageous

To Apply: To be invited to the Selection Programme in Dubai, we will consider candidates who are short up to 500 hours of the above requirements.

Please be advised that currently a unpublished requirement exists that some of the jet hours need to be in an aircraft >30tons MTOW.

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah they are asking for at least 50 to 100 hrs in a jet greater than 30 tons.

 

[Dumbluck]

AGVMIA, I suppose with both airline and Flight Saftery training it all depends on who your instructor is, what aircraft you are training in, overall level of experience, etc... It was wrong of my to make a blanket statement regarding Flight Saftey training. Lots of guys flying safely all over the world. I should have stated "It has been, in my experience, ...."

BTW, am I the first person to admit being wrong on Flight Info?

 

[3blade]

App complete. ERJ 170 MGTOW is 82,011lbs which is over 30t, unless my math is way off.

 

[Sherpa]

Any of you folks selected for an interview know the time it took to get a reply after sending in your requested interview dates? I'm standing by to stand by. I can't seem to get a reply via email so I called and left a voice message.

Thanks.

 

[atpcliff]

Do the EK pilots figure performance on some type of computer, or do they use charts, or some other method?

....just curious....

cliff
CVG
PS-Schd to fly as PAX on EK in a couple of days.