Embry-Riddle and G O Jet, Stop the bleeding.

[AuburnRedneck9]

Let's try to keep our school from letting their students make a huge career mistake. If you're alumni, please take the time to call someone at the campus and put a stop to that airline and everything that they stand for.








Greetings Eagles!

Professor Ray B........... just received this email from one of his Alumni:

I am still in ground school for GoJet Airlines. We operate as United Express. I just got word today that we have at least 5 new CRJ 700s on the way from the factory. Our HR was also just informed that we need more crews to staff these planes asap. If there is anyone that you know who would be a good candidate please pass the word on. The application/contact info is on our website... www.gojetairlines.com I have heard that a 400 hr pilot got an interview the other day. I think that 500-1000hrs would be competitive. Also mentioning your Autopilots/FMS class is very helpful. I think that this is what helped get me the job. Take care.

Check out the link and see what it has to say! Happy Hunting,


Career Services Office
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
800 888 ERAU

/ http://www.erau.edu

Mark your calendar to attend Embry-Riddle's Career Expos
October, 19, 2006, Prescott, AZ
October 25 & 26, 2006, Daytona Beach, FL

 

[pilotbrain]

Another false rumor

 

[EatinRamen]

That makes me sick... I'm sending an email to career services right after I throw up.

 

[regionaltard]

Let's try to keep our school from letting their students make a huge career mistake. If you're alumni, please take the time to call someone at the campus and put a stop to that airline and everything that they stand for.

Two words: ARF! ARF! Placing puppies is Riddle's lifeblood-you don't actually think they give a rip about the "good home" part, do you?

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

Two words: ARF! ARF! Placing puppies is Riddle's lifeblood-you don't actually think they give a rip about the "good home" part, do you?

I don't disagree with you, I did go there and I feel that all of us who have graduated owe at least one phone call to them, NOT to support the G O Jet operation, or in a practical sense make them aware of what will happen if their students do go there ( ie a blacklist ).

In response to they not caring, I agree with you that the institution itself could careless about the implications of operations such as G o Jets. However to an extent, we are the alumni, and we need to do what the last generation has failed to do: educate our young. The culture of this business over the past two decades are such that we are not doing a good job of educating our young on the practical and to some extents the dirty games that exist in this business. The standards of living, compensation and managements dirty tricks will continue as long as we let it and one of the best long terms solutions is to educate those that follow us by five and ten years so that they don't make the mistakes that are perpetrated by sheer ignorance. If we stand there and say let them figure it out then we're just helping management teams everywhere do what they have been doing, taking advantage of new and uninformed pilots.

If we're going to all stand united against G O Jets and the next carrier (there will be one) that comes after it then I submit that we start but quashing situations like the one at hand.

 

[dogtown]

I don't disagree with you, I did go there and I feel that all of us who have graduated owe at least one phone call to them, NOT to support the G O Jet operation, or in a practical sense make them aware of what will happen if their students do go there ( ie a blacklist ).

In response to they not caring, I agree with you that the institution itself could careless about the implications of operations such as G o Jets. However to an extent, we are the alumni, and we need to do what the last generation has failed to do: educate our young. The culture of this business over the past two decades are such that we are not doing a good job of educating our young on the practical and to some extents the dirty games that exist in this business. The standards of living, compensation and managements dirty tricks will continue as long as we let it and one of the best long terms solutions is to educate those that follow us by five and ten years so that they don't make the mistakes that are perpetrated by sheer ignorance. If we stand there and say let them figure it out then we're just helping management teams everywhere do what they have been doing, taking advantage of new and uninformed pilots.

If we're going to all stand united against G O Jets and the next carrier (there will be one) that comes after it then I submit that we start but quashing situations like the one at hand.

I don’t want to be a spelling/grammar jerk, but you might want to read what you write before you post. It’s not very readable and takes away from what I think is an important argument.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Let's try to keep our school from letting their students make a huge career mistake. If you're alumni, please take the time to call someone at the campus and put a stop to that airline and everything that they stand for.








Greetings Eagles!

Professor Ray B........... just received this email from one of his Alumni:

I am still in ground school for GoJet Airlines. We operate as United Express. I just got word today that we have at least 5 new CRJ 700s on the way from the factory. Our HR was also just informed that we need more crews to staff these planes asap. If there is anyone that you know who would be a good candidate please pass the word on. The application/contact info is on our website... www.gojetairlines.com I have heard that a 400 hr pilot got an interview the other day. I think that 500-1000hrs would be competitive. Also mentioning your Autopilots/FMS class is very helpful. I think that this is what helped get me the job. Take care.

Check out the link and see what it has to say! Happy Hunting,


Career Services Office
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
800 888 ERAU

/ http://www.erau.edu

Mark your calendar to attend Embry-Riddle's Career Expos
October, 19, 2006, Prescott, AZ
October 25 & 26, 2006, Daytona Beach, FL

While you are at it, you should try to stop people from going to Auburn also.

 

[pookie]

While you are at it, you should also stop people from going to Georgia all together. Friends dont let friends go to Auburn.

 

[BoilerUP]

Unless you went to UT-Austin, there are far more hot women at Auburn than at ___________ (where you went to school).

 

[rickair7777]

Unless you went to UT-Austin, there are far more hot women at Auburn than at ___________ (where you went to school).

True! And those southern-belle accents....

 

[DASHDRIVER]

through an alumni effort I had heard that Go-jets was not allowed to go to UND for recruiting. Maybe they can get Embry guys to do the same.

 

[EatinRamen]

Subject: Promoting GoJets jobs at ERAU
Date: September 23, 2006 10:19:11 AM EDT
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]


I am writing this email because I have recently learned the career services office has sent an email to students about prospective pilots jobs with GoJets. I am concerned that you and the general student body at Embry-Riddle is unaware of the bad reputation GoJets has generated for itself, and could lead to a disappointing career move for the students at Embry-Riddle.

As an alumni, and current pilot with Atlantic Southeast Airlines, I would not dare accept a job with GoJets. The airline is an offshoot of TSA, created to undercut the current pay-scales and work rules already established at TSA. This is an alarming trend in our industry that is pitting regional carriers against one another to cut pilot pay in the interest of "cost savings." What people don't understand, is that as a graduate of such an expensive school as Embry-Riddle, it is almost impossible to pay back school loans, and make rent and car payments on the limited income we make as junior pilots.

What's worse about GoJets, is that the pilots who are now working for them have been labeled as "scabs" since they undercut their union brothers at TSA. There is a list with their names, and they will have a very tough time getting jobs at any other 121 air carrier. Please do some further research into this important matter. I'm sure your office wants to provide our students with quality job opportunities and not just any job out there. As long as people keep getting fed into these "cut throat" carriers seniority lists, the industry will continue to fade. When the incomes at the airlines is so low that people won't even consider flying as a career, Embry-Riddle's flight department will be hurting to attract students to invest a large sum of money on their flight education.

Regards,


That's what I sent them.

 

[McNugget]

While you are at it, you should also stop people from going to Georgia all together. Friends dont let friends go to Auburn.

Um, what state is Auburn in?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Um, what state is Auburn in?

HA HA HA. We're talking about people from the South here. Give the guy a break. :laugh:

 

[Rouge Warrior]

Um, what state is Auburn in?

DeNile

 

[Iron Man]

An alumni to anlumni: I have flown for the Best and my experience spans the globe, you guys take the cake. You obviously speak with forked tounge or your anger has clouded your judgement. Not one of you Gojet haters have made any worthy truths to your claims. The same old tired dialouge. If I am coming out of college and looking for a solid career move Gojet makes every sense. Where else could I go and have a seniority number less than a hundred with additional growth projected for the forseeable future. I HAVE BEEN IN THE RECRUITMENT OFFICE AT DAL for many years and with out a doubt GOJET pilots will be treated with the same respect as anyone else and there is no LEGAL reason not to if you get my drift.

Subject: Promoting GoJets jobs at ERAU
Date: September 23, 2006 10:19:11 AM EDT
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]


I am writing this email because I have recently learned the career services office has sent an email to students about prospective pilots jobs with GoJets. I am concerned that you and the general student body at Embry-Riddle is unaware of the bad reputation GoJets has generated for itself, and could lead to a disappointing career move for the students at Embry-Riddle.

As an alumni, and current pilot with Atlantic Southeast Airlines, I would not dare accept a job with GoJets. The airline is an offshoot of TSA, created to undercut the current pay-scales and work rules already established at TSA. This is an alarming trend in our industry that is pitting regional carriers against one another to cut pilot pay in the interest of "cost savings." What people don't understand, is that as a graduate of such an expensive school as Embry-Riddle, it is almost impossible to pay back school loans, and make rent and car payments on the limited income we make as junior pilots.

What's worse about GoJets, is that the pilots who are now working for them have been labeled as "scabs" since they undercut their union brothers at TSA. There is a list with their names, and they will have a very tough time getting jobs at any other 121 air carrier. Please do some further research into this important matter. I'm sure your office wants to provide our students with quality job opportunities and not just any job out there. As long as people keep getting fed into these "cut throat" carriers seniority lists, the industry will continue to fade. When the incomes at the airlines is so low that people won't even consider flying as a career, Embry-Riddle's flight department will be hurting to attract students to invest a large sum of money on their flight education.

Regards,


That's what I sent them.

 

[regionaltard]

An alumni to anlumni:

That's almunus to alumnus. Glad to see that the quality of your education hasn't been an obstacle for you.

As long as pilots are involved in the hiring process, and they are to some extent formally or informally at virtually every airline I'm aware of, working for a scumbag outfit like GoJet has the potential to come back and bite someone in the ass. Most guys are smart enough to understand that these back-door types are a breed apart and not the sort they'd want to depend on at some point in the future-exactly why the corporate side of the hiring process welcomes these scum with open arms.

 

[jetfo]

An alumni to anlumni: I have flown for the Best and my experience spans the globe, you guys take the cake. You obviously speak with forked tounge or your anger has clouded your judgement. Not one of you Gojet haters have made any worthy truths to your claims. The same old tired dialouge. If I am coming out of college and looking for a solid career move Gojet makes every sense. Where else could I go and have a seniority number less than a hundred with additional growth projected for the forseeable future. I HAVE BEEN IN THE RECRUITMENT OFFICE AT DAL for many years and with out a doubt GOJET pilots will be treated with the same respect as anyone else and there is no LEGAL reason not to if you get my drift.

Iron Man:

You are right, of course, but these self described junior airman think they know better.

The irony is that GJ pays better at the low end than some ALPA carriers. And, the Teamsters haven't even started to get a contract together.

Go figure!

 

[BoilerUP]

The irony is that GJ pays better at the low end than some ALPA carriers. And, the Teamsters haven't even started to get a contract together.

Many, including myself, are still waiting to see a full payscale & workrules at GoJet...and we've asked many times for it.

From APC:
First Officer 1/2/3 year
AWAC 50 seat: 24/35/36
XJT 50 seat: 22/33/35
PCL 50 seat: 21/24/30
TSA 50 seat: 22/25/32
Eagle 50/70 seat: 24/32/34
CHQ 50/70 seat: 22/30/34
SKW 50/70 seat:19/35/36
Mesa 50/70 seat: 21/28/31
GoJet 70 seat: 23/25/34

GoJet beats only Mesa in 3rd year 70 seat FO pay, and is comparable to Eagle and Chautauqua. AWAC, Expressjet, & Skywest have higher 50 seat FO pay across the board...and TSA's 50 seat pay is within 5% of GoJet pay in all three years.

Captain 2/3/5 year
AWAC: 58/60/64
XJT: 60/62/66
PCL: 57/59/62
TSA: 57/59/62
Eagle 50: 61/63/67
Eagle 70: 64/66/70
RAH 50: 57/61/64
RAH 70: 60/64/68
Mesa 50: 54/55/59
Mesa 70: 57/58/62
Skywest 50/70: 58/60/63
GoJet 70: 58/60/64

Again, GoJet only beats Mesa in 70 seat rates. In third year pay, RAH (50/70), Eagle (50/70), & XJT (50) are higher, with comparable rates to AWAC (50) & SKW (50/70). GoJet is a single dollar higher than both PCL & TSA.

Keep in mind this is only rounded hourly rates, and does not include money gained by trip/duty rigs or work rules...like block or better or min day pay.

Yeah, that's much better pay at the low end...

 

[rickair7777]

An alumni to anlumni: I have flown for the Best and my experience spans the globe, you guys take the cake. You obviously speak with forked tounge or your anger has clouded your judgement. Not one of you Gojet haters have made any worthy truths to your claims. The same old tired dialouge. If I am coming out of college and looking for a solid career move Gojet makes every sense. Where else could I go and have a seniority number less than a hundred with additional growth projected for the forseeable future. I HAVE BEEN IN THE RECRUITMENT OFFICE AT DAL for many years and with out a doubt GOJET pilots will be treated with the same respect as anyone else and there is no LEGAL reason not to if you get my drift.

Maybe you grey eagles who have had such a great life are in a position to be magnanimous...especially since it doesn't affect you in any way. The reality is that the young folks who are most impacted by these kinds of operations are going to remember it all for a very long time. Someday we will be the decision makers.

I have the Freedom-A and an early Go-Jets list (I need an update actually). I will keep these forever, and reference them anytime I am in a position to influence jumpseat, hiring, or training decisions. Maybe I'm the only one?...or maybe not.

Picture this...a gojet alumni has landed his dream job at a top major, got through training and 11 months on line. Well now it's time for his probationary PC...he shows up as scheduled not realizing that the sim instructor conducting the PC was furloughed from TSA back in the day...and he still has the list...Ooops!