EJA/Hawker Midair w/ Glider....Everyone OK - Merged!

[rchcfi]

Glider Pilot Survives Mid-Air With Jet

Tue, 29 Aug '06
All Safe After Collision At 16,000 Feet

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=dae31ded-d017-43eb-af5a-acbbb7a5f04e&#dThis is nothing short of amazing... as everyone is safe after a glider collided with a business jet traveling at 16,000 feet over the Pine Nut Mountains of western Nevada Monday.
Akihiro Hirao of Japan was flying his Schleicher ASH 27 glider (a similar 25 model is shown in the graphic below) over the mountains at about 3:10 pm just as a Hawker 800XP was starting its descent into the Carson City airport. The glider struck the jet's nose -- sending both planes briefly out of control.
As Hirao attempted to bail out of his stricken plane, which lost a wing in the collision -- the pilot of the NetJets Hawker was dealing with a shattered instrument panel. Passengers onboard the charted jet from San Diego say she was able to stabilize the jet quickly, after banking sharply immediately after the impact and descending several thousand feet.
Local media reports state Hirao jumped from the glider, and parachuted into the mountains. He was found by Washoe Tribal Police at about 5:45 pm - two-and-a-half hours after the incident began -- walking near the mouth of Lone Pine Canyon.
"He has no apparent injuries but they will take him to get checked out," said Lyon County Sheriffs Department spokesman Lt. Jeff Page. "He hit a jet at 300 knots and had the presence of mind to bail out. He is a very lucky man."

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Meanwhile, onboard the Hawker the plane's pilot set up for an emergency landing at Carson City. The pilot circled Washoe Lake several times in order to burn off fuel, and then executed what sounds like a flawless wheels-up landing at the airport.
"I've had wheels-down landings that were a lot rougher," said Hawker passenger Steve DiZio.
Pieces of the glider were found to be embedded in the Hawker's radome. The unidentified pilot of the charter plane suffered a cut between her lip and chin -- but no one else was injured in the ordeal.
"This woman is a miracle worker," passenger Evy Chipman of Incline Village said of the pilot.
Sounds like there were plenty of miracles going around...

 

[Lilah]

Glider vs. Jet/Hawker (nobody seriously hurt!)

From recent media...

Here....
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/NEWS15/608290365/1144/NEWS

With this photo....

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And nobody got seriously hurt!!!

Cheers!

Lilah

 

[Some guy]

Amazing. I'm glad to hear everyone is ok. That could have easily turned out different.

 

[gunfyter]

Wow...

The Hawker.

Takes a lickin' and keeps on Tickin'.

 

[Steve]

Wow, the folks on the hawker are lucky they made it out. At least the glider pilot was smart enough to be wearing a rig.

 

[FraxJockey]

WHat happened to the first thread? Just magically disappeared...like this one probably will.

 

[C680]

http://www.newscarsoncity.com/

What happened to the other thread on this matter?

Well, its worth repeating that the pilot is an aviation goddess. Great job!

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Executive jet collides with glider near Reno


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LAS VEGAS (AP) - An executive jet collided with a glider near Reno on Monday afternoon and had to make an emergency landing in Carson City without the use of its landing gear, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.
The pilot of the Hawker XP800 jet suffered minor injuries while the co-pilot and three passengers were unharmed, said FAA spokesman Ian Gregor. The glider pilot also suffered only minor injuries after parachuting to safety.
"Pieces of the glider were embedded in the nose of the Hawker," Gregor said.
The jet was headed from Palomar airport north of San Diego, Calif. to Reno. As the plane was making its approach, it collided with the glider at about 16,000 feet, he said.
The jet made an emergency landing at an airport in Carson City at 3:18 p.m., he said.
The glider pilot, 58-year-old Hirao Akihiro, had flown out of Minden, about 50 miles south of Reno, said Lyon County Sheriff's Lt. Jeff Page. He was found with just cuts and bruises around 6:30 p.m. by Washoe tribal police at the mouth of Lone Pine Canyon after he hiked three miles from where he landed, Gregor said.
The jet, made by Raytheon Co. in 1998, is capable of transporting up to eight passengers at speeds of up to 500 miles an hour, he said.
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[C680]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/misc/zoompicture.pbs&IDato=20060829&IKategori=NEWS15&ID=608290365&rgj_caption=A%20jet%20made%20a%20safe%20landing%20at%20the%20Carson%20City%20Airport%20after%20colliding%20Monday%20with%20a%20glider%20about%203%3A10%20p.m.%20No%20one%20was%20seriously%20hurt

What a picture. Some very lucky Crew / Pax yesterday. Again, Crew, stellar job getting that jet on the ground safely.

 

[Jetz]

Flightaware says it was EJA879. Is that Netjets or the EJM?

Wow, what a great job done by all.

 

[GoingHot]

Glider drivers, when above 18,000, are you required to be on an IFR flight plan? Also, do you use flight following?

 

[C680]

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Glider drivers, when above 18,000, are you required to be on an IFR flight plan? Also, do you use flight following?

Reportedly they met at 16000. EJA.

 

[Jetz]

None Seriously Hurt in Hawker-[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Sailplane[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial] Midair[/FONT]
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Remarkably, the two pilots and three passengers on a NetJets Hawker 800XP (N879QS) and the pilot of a Schleicher sailplane escaped serious injury when the two aircraft collided at about 16,000 feet yesterday afternoon near Carson City, Nev. The pilot of the glider bailed out and landed safely, while the jet made a gear-up landing at Carson City Airport. A photo of the Hawker on the runway after the landing shows damage to the nose, including a missing nose cone and imbeded parts of the glider. According to NetJets, the captain of the jet was treated for minor injuries. The company also said the collision caused damage to the underside of the jet, as well as to the nose. The accident happened while the Hawker was descending to land at Reno-Tahoe Airport, Nev., about an hour after taking off from Palomar Airport in Carlsbad, Calif. Weather in the area at the time of the accident was reported as 10 miles visibility and a few clouds at 10,000 feet.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The NTSB is investigating[/FONT]

 

[GoingHot]

Reportedly they met at 16000. EJA.

Yes, I know they met at 16k. I was just wondering about glider flights in IFR territory, and if they check in with approach/center to let them know what they're doing. After a very close call some years ago, I always check in with ATC, no matter how busy they are. That incident was with a glider, and I was in an AH-1. Another 50 feet and it would have been ugly.

Just last week, ATC may have saved me from a mid air with a crop duster. It was 3 miles in haze and they had no altitude readout on him. He poped out of the haze right in front of me.

 

[gutshotdraw]

If you have to crash, do it in a Hawker or a Gulfstream. Both are built like tanks.

I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good. Looks like this crew was both. Congratulations to all involved.

 

[Corona]

Glider drivers, when above 18,000, are you required to be on an IFR flight plan? Also, do you use flight following?

I think it's genius that aircraft can fly higher than 10,000 without a transponder.

Let's see: 400KT TAS vs. 60KT TAS.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea...

C

 

[C680]

If you have to crash, do it in a Hawker or a Gulfstream.

Yea?? Are you speaking from experience gutshot?

 

[XShipRider]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alertimages/CarsonCity.jpg
Kudos to the crew who kept their cool with this much airframe damage and still managed to land this puppy! Outstanding.

I've said it before. Pilots are worth far more then they're paid.
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[NHaviator]

i agree

The crew did a great job!

 

[trip]

NetJets Hawker takes out glider south of Reno!!

Investigators seek details

Posted: 8/29/2006


The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Monday's collision between a corporate jet and a glider south of Carson City.
No one was seriously injured in the impact at about 16,000 feet between the Hawker XP800 jet and the Schleicher glider. The glider pilot, Akihiro Hirao, address unknown, parachuted to safety in the Pine Nut Mountains, authorities said.
Hawker pilot Annette Saunders, 38, with aircraft controls knocked into her lap from the force of the impact, circled the plane around Washoe Lake and made an emergency landing at the Carson City Airport, landing the aircraft on its belly with no wheels.
Carson Sheriff Kenneth Furlong said the cockpit looked like a hand grenade had detonated in it and praised the crew's efforts in landing the jet. Saunders suffered minor injuries, but the co-pilot and three passengers were not injured.
The jet was leased from NetJets, a company owned by Warren Buffet's Berkshire-Hathaway.
NetJets released a statement acknowledging the crash and praising the efforts of the crew to land the jet safely at 3:18 p.m.
"NetJets wishes to praise the quick and professional actions of the pilots of 879QS," the company said in a statement. "The pilots exhibited outstanding airmanship under extraordinary circumstances enabling them to land safely."
The flight originated at McClellan-Palomar Airport in Carlsbad, Calif., north of San Diego and was headed for Reno.

 

[h25b]

Gutshot is absolutely correct about Hawkers and G's... Got close to 4 yrs. in the 800 series Hawkers and I can tell you that they are indeed flying tanks.

Built like brick $hithouses. They were lucky to be flying one.

 

[G4G5]

I always knew that a glider was faster then a Hawker. Now I have proof.

 

[Wantfrys]

was wondering if they landed on the runway or the grass on the side? What would most people elect to do? I would think very hard about landing in the grass ,if it was flat, since you might keep the sparks from the fuel.

 

[Steve]

Glider drivers, when above 18,000, are you required to be on an IFR flight plan? Also, do you use flight following?

No IFR flight plan when above 18,000 since only a few gliders exist that are ifr capable. ATC will usually accommodate requests into the class A, especially when arrangements are made prior to the proposed flight. The controller will usually give you a block of airspace (12,000-15,000) and ask for you to report anytime exiting that block. Not sure if the glider in the accident had a transponder but I’m guessing no since most don’t and aren’t required to. This usually makes it hard for the controller to see them on radar considering most of the new high performance ships are fiberglass. I've had more than one close call in Upstate NY (the mecca of glider flying) with RJ's. Close enough to see the DC headset on the FO and his head down in the cockpit. I know you guys have your checklists to run but collision avoidance is the responsibility of all pilots (when in vmc). Lets not start putting all the blame on the glider pilot.

 

[C680]

Let the NTSB do their job.

... but collision avoidance is the responsibility of all pilots (when in vmc). Lets not start putting all the blame on the glider pilot.

Let's see...and avoid...and who had the right of way. Cannot argue this, so lets not start placing blame.

This is still the time to heap praise and credit to the flight crew of the NetJets bird for their superb airmanship.

 

[Steve]

was wondering if they landed on the runway or the grass on the side? What would most people elect to do? I would think very hard about landing in the grass ,if it was flat, since you might keep the sparks from the fuel.

Avbug did a great write up a while back about this topic. Hopefully he will write in. The jist of it was that most aircraft will be far more damaged from landing on grass then a paved runway. The chance of losing controll or digging the nose in on grass is also much higher. Pilots gear up airplanes a few times a week in the US alone and walk away from it after all. Can't be that dangerous on a paved runway.

 

[acaTerry]

was wondering if they landed on the runway or the grass on the side? What would most people elect to do? I would think very hard about landing in the grass ,if it was flat, since you might keep the sparks from the fuel.

With a damaged jet that weighs over 18,000 lbs? At jet approach speeds (which I am sure she incresed due to airframe damage)? Yer kidding right?

 

[Wantfrys]

I know that the airplane was heavly damaged and it would not be smart for this example, but I was wondering how many other people in other examples would be thinking of the grass.
Thanks steve for the reply i found avbugs thread and he has good points as always.
Again try not to bash me I was just asking a question that i think other people would think of in the heat of the moment.

 

[h25b]

With a damaged jet that weighs over 18,000 lbs? At jet approach speeds (which I am sure she incresed due to airframe damage)? Yer kidding right?

The Hawkers I believe have a stringer running the length of the underneath of the airplane that essentially makes a belly landing a non-event (structurally speaking)... I believe the checklist calls for a gear-up landing in the event of NWS misalignment. So from an engineering standpoint they don't seem too concerned about belly landings. They used to show a video of one doing a gear up landing in recurrent.

 

[Steve]

I know that the airplane was heavly damaged and it would not be smart for this example, but I was wondering how many other people in other examples would be thinking of the grass.
Thanks steve for the reply i found avbugs thread and he has good points as always.
Again try not to bash me I was just asking a question that i think other people would think of in the heat of the moment.

Sorry if it came off as a bash. It was not meant that way at all. I used to think that grass would be a good idea incase of a stuck gear in the light twins I fly mostly. I've since come to the personal conclusion that if a aircraft is not designed to be operated on grass using it for the first time in an emergency, gear or no gear, is probibly not a good idea.

 

[cjdriver]

The Hawker has a keel, designed to be used for a belly landing, and can be removed for repair. We actually got to do a gear up landing in the sim, and it was quite realistic, shook the sim pretty good. You land gear up when you can't get the NWS centered so you don't depart the runway on landing. Also, the Hawker is a tank. I think one took a SAM in Africa once and made it down OK. There might be some pictures of it out there somewhere.