E-190s at AWA/US Mainline?

[JoeMerchant]

Sure. How exactly is ALPA going to persuade the company to do that?

To do what?

 

[DornierPilot]

Crzipilot,

I agree with many of your ideas (from a purely civilian perspective), however, I doubt that our military trained friends would feel that it is fair to "start over" to get a commercial flying job. Don't forget that their 7+ years of "apprenticeship" has already been served.

I guess we'll just have to come up with a more inclusive career path for both pure civilian trained vs. pure military trained.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Good Jobs guys......reverse the trend. Gotta get the planes on the property.....do any of you haters have any suggestions on how they were going to be able to do that without low rates??

Piker

 

[Crzipilot]

Furloughed,

Well that's another distaste of ALPO.....as there is someone making 400+ that's supposed to have those answers...... give me some time though, and possibly be able to come up with an idea. One off the top of my head, is again, the fee for departure contracts. How much, if any of a savings is there to do it inhouse. Now granted there would have to be some synergies between the 3 corporate offices and such, but they've sorta gone in that direction with the SSO for hotels and such. (supposedly mainline/express/mda to be staying in same hotels whenever contracts come up) 3 dir. of ops??/ 3 dir. mtx / 3 of everything.....how much would be gained from cutting those??? So basically show a cost savings of some sort, and it would make sense. Now of course, if new mgmnt main goal is to continue to whipsaw the labor groups, well forget about it.

 

[Superpilot92]

Crzipilot,

I agree with many of your ideas (from a purely civilian perspective), however, I doubt that our military trained friends would feel that it is fair to "start over" to get a commercial flying job. Don't forget that their 7+ years of "apprenticeship" has already been served.

I guess we'll just have to come up with a more inclusive career path for both pure civilian trained vs. pure military trained.

It was the choice to go the military route. Everyone has to start somewhere.

 

[onthestreet]

Yes,

They will be at mainline. We have to ratify the pay scales so it's not a done deal yet, but so far it doesn't look like Republic or anyone else will be flying 190's for us.

Pilots on the AAA/AWA seniority lists will fly these airplanes.

The line between mainline and regional has finally been drawn - albeit very late.

Does anyone know when the first domestic 190 delivery is available to someone other than Jetblue?

 

[Fly4hire]

Well to be perfectly blunt, MY career is more important than YOUR career. Sorry, but that is the atmosphere that ALPA has fostered through the years. Nothing personal, it's just business. ........ If your version of a single list involves me starting all over at the bottom flying an aircraft for lower rates than we currently do, then you can stick it where the sun don't shine.
Joe

Yeah, ditto MY career as well. I was not talking the mythical shangri-la national list, but within a carrier, all flying done from RJ F/O up to 747-400 Capt. by the same company, same contract, same list.

As to stapling, etc, what would you think if the rate were the same or better, and you had the ability to bid up to larger equipment as your seniority would allow?

 

[Swaayze]

.....yet you cry like a 2 year old at the proposition of these jobs becoming mainline positions?

These jobs have always been mainline positions!

I say we just do away with code-sharing and contracting. Let each airline try to make it on their own. (That or just re-regulate the industry completely)

 

[Swaayze]

Crzipilot,

I agree with many of your ideas (from a purely civilian perspective), however, I doubt that our military trained friends would feel that it is fair to "start over" to get a commercial flying job. Don't forget that their 7+ years of "apprenticeship" has already been served.

I guess we'll just have to come up with a more inclusive career path for both pure civilian trained vs. pure military trained.

Well whaaaa. If they don't want to start over they should stay in the military. Great benefits and retirement I hear. Christ, is EVERYONE ENTITLED nowadays!?

 

[JohnyChimpo99]

How does this work? If AWA ALPA wants to scope regionals out of the E190 market and they get payrates ready, can management still put these aircraft at the regionals? Do both sides have to agree on this?

 

[Doug Parker]

Why have the E190s at mainline ????



2 words - FURLOUGH FODDER !!





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[Green]

Joe Merchant,


I find it funny how you keep referring to "your" flying. Would regionals exist without a mainline to service? Is there really such a thing as "your" flying? Independence Air is demonstrating how viable a regional is as a stand alone company.

 

[General Lee]

What does the RJDC think about this? Are the AWA pilots hurting the CHQ guys careers? Oh wait, the mainline guys are NOT ALLOWING THEM to BID FOR THE NEW FLYING, right? Can't USAir decide who they want to give their flying to? Maybe Mainline is relaxing something else in order to get this flying..... That's just not fair to the RJDC guys....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

This is a very simple message: regionals should NOT be flying 100 seat aircraft at lower regional wages. Instead, regional pilots who want to fly 100 seaters SHOULD APPLY to the majors/LCCs that will invariably offer higher long-term pay than the regionals.... Do you think CHQ will pay you more over time than a Jet Blue or Air Tran? Don't bring the 100-seat wage level down to regional levels - instead, keep 100 seater wages respectable and keep them in the majors (even though Jet Blue's E190 wage is too low - hopefully that will change in time).

Regional pilots who want to keep 100 seat flying should get off their a$$es and apply to the LCCs or mainline carriers that are hiring... That's my $0.02.

 

[FL280]

This is a very simple message: regionals should NOT be flying 100 seat aircraft at lower regional wages. Instead, regional pilots who want to fly 100 seaters SHOULD APPLY to the majors/LCCs that will invariably offer higher long-term pay than the regionals.... Do you think CHQ will pay you more over time than a Jet Blue or Air Tran? Don't bring the 100-seat wage level down to regional levels - instead, keep 100 seater wages respectable and keep them in the majors (even though Jet Blue's E190 wage is too low - hopefully that will change in time).

Regional pilots who want to keep 100 seat flying should get off their a$$es and apply to the LCCs or mainline carriers that are hiring... That's my $0.02.

heavy set go away, this board is for the adults. STOP pretending to be a pilot.

 

[Superpilot92]

This is a very simple message: regionals should NOT be flying 100 seat aircraft at lower regional wages. Instead, regional pilots who want to fly 100 seaters SHOULD APPLY to the majors/LCCs that will invariably offer higher long-term pay than the regionals.... Do you think CHQ will pay you more over time than a Jet Blue or Air Tran? Don't bring the 100-seat wage level down to regional levels - instead, keep 100 seater wages respectable and keep them in the majors (even though Jet Blue's E190 wage is too low - hopefully that will change in time).

Regional pilots who want to keep 100 seat flying should get off their a$$es and apply to the LCCs or mainline carriers that are hiring... That's my $0.02.

I AGREE

 

[FeelingBlue]

Does anyone know when the first domestic 190 delivery is available to someone other than Jetblue?

No domestic carrier can take delivery of a 190 series E-jet until November of 2008 per the JB agreement with Emb. FWIW.

 

[michael707767]

No domestic carrier can take delivery of a 190 series E-jet until November of 2008 per the JB agreement with Emb. FWIW.

I would question that. I just don't see Embraer cutting themselves out of potential sales for a three year period.

 

[elcid]

What is so magic about bestowing the title "mainline" on an aircraft if the payrates and workrules are equal to or lower than that of the regionals? If a regional group does this to get an aircraft, they are harassed. If a mainline group does this, they are heroes. Pure B$.

I would think the up-side (if there is one) is that you are on the main line seniority list. You could maybe move up to bigger, better paying equipment without going to the bottom of someone else's senority list and losing your furlough protection? Am I way off here?

 

[h25b]

What is so magic about bestowing the title "mainline" on an aircraft if the payrates and workrules are equal to or lower than that of the regionals? If a regional group does this to get an aircraft, they are harassed. If a mainline group does this, they are heroes. Pure B$.

Perhaps you should call Sally Struthers about SJS. If you're to blinded by the thought of getting to fly the EMB 170/190's then you're a lost cause. The big dollar salaries have in the past, present, and future only existed at "mainline." ALPA has well proven that they could care less about their regional brothers and are only marginally successful in protecting mainline pilot career potential. So why in the world would anyone want more jet lift to go to any regional. For God's sake man, are you really that dense ???

Unbelievable...