E-190s at Airtran?

[Nindiri]

I wonder if management, behind it's closed doors, talks about the need to be reasonable and offer pilots a fair contract.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

I wonder if management, behind it's closed doors, talks about the need to be reasonable and offer pilots a fair contract.

I'll bet they do. But fair is relative. Fair means two different things I'm sure.

 

[j41driver]

LFFS,
A Union works much like the U.S. House and Senate, you put the Officers in with your vote and they do what they feel is right. They dont always make the right choice be it NPA or ALPA

There are a lot of MEC's within ALPA that use membership ratification on all potential side letters/agreements that have a material affect on the pilot group. Much better way to go than what we have in the NPA.

 

[j41driver]

No, they do not, and they can't. We have 1400+ pilots. It's simple, just like we voted for union officers. Each pilot logs on, votes simply "yes or no", and then the union releases the results of the referendum as to whether or not to support it. Done. EVERY PILOT needs the opportunity to voice on this issue. We are small enough that on an issue like this, it is simple to have a true vote.

Amen brother!

 

[j41driver]

Looks like someone failed statistics.

I was polled and I voted against it. Most pilots here disagree with me. I can accept that. The polling was done correctly and is a fair representation of the collective will of the pilot group.

Does CNN and USAToday poll every American when they report Bush's approval ratings?

Hell, if it's so perfect then why not use the Wilson Center for ratifying the new contract. I mean, it would be way too hard to ask all 1400 pilots.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Hell, if it's so perfect then why not use the Wilson Center for ratifying the new contract. I mean, it would be way too hard to ask all 1400 pilots.

Thank you, Ty Webb should be happy with that too.

 

[Benhuntn]

I was at Hooters and I heard it was 2 for one for but I am not sure if it was E-190's or not.

 

[FlyAirtran]

Im with you FlyFastLiveSlow. All very well said. You make very good points. I definitely want some improvements to the contract but I dont want to put my company out of business just because some CA has a $3800 interest only mortgage (yes actual story) and is on his cell phone in the cockpit arguing with his wife because she needs new tires on their minivan but he cant afford to .... but hey his house is on the water, right?? Then begins to say to you that he doesnt make enough money. wtf?!!? Im makin $56 an hour and you cant make it happen?!!! We all need to make more money at Airtran, no doubt about it!! But this sounds like poor financial planning. How much more do you guys want? What is fair? Im really interested in your answer. Fedex Pay, UPS? Southwest? When we make as much as those guys do per quarter, then I will want a bigger piece of the pie. Right now I want a raise and better work rules and I dont want to put my company out of business or piss off any passengers. Age 60??? wtF??? nobody asked me! Had they, I would have said no.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Im sorry but I have not talk with any CA that has a problem with there rates. Its the FO rates that they have problem with, which are way behind. Im sure there are the CA that are starving with his 5 wifes , but that is a very small minority.
I love are the flying we do, but if the rates dont come up the flood gates will open and staffing will be come a major issue. A lot of FO are on the fence.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Im with you FlyFastLiveSlow. All very well said. You make very good points. I definitely want some improvements to the contract but I dont want to put my company out of business just because some CA has a $3800 interest only mortgage (yes actual story) and is on his cell phone in the cockpit arguing with his wife because she needs new tires on their minivan but he cant afford to .... but hey his house is on the water, right?? Then begins to say to you that he doesnt make enough money. wtf?!!? Im makin $56 an hour and you cant make it happen?!!! We all need to make more money at Airtran, no doubt about it!! But this sounds like poor financial planning. How much more do you guys want? What is fair? Im really interested in your answer. Fedex Pay, UPS? Southwest? When we make as much as those guys do per quarter, then I will want a bigger piece of the pie. Right now I want a raise and better work rules and I dont want to put my company out of business or piss off any passengers. Age 60??? wtF??? nobody asked me! Had they, I would have said no.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Thanks for the support my friend.