Does SAPA do all this?

[Nevets]

How does Skywest go about setting pay rates for their aircraft?[/quot\

The pilots at Skywest voted in favor of flying the 700 for 200 rates. It was an ace that they dealt to their management team.

What I meant is how does management come up with the wages to begin with?

 

[AWACoff]

Skywest management: "Pilots, here are your new wage rates."

Any other questions, Nevets?

Last time I checked, Skywest flies 90 seaters for 50 seat wages too. Thank god SAPA negotiated such a greeeeeaaaat deal.

 

[Nevets]

Skywest management: "Pilots, here are your new wage rates."

Any other questions, Nevets?

Last time I checked, Skywest flies 90 seaters for 50 seat wages too. Thank god SAPA negotiated such a greeeeeaaaat deal.

There has to be some "formula" for lack of a better word, on how they come up with them.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How does Skywest go about setting pay rates for their aircraft?[/quot\

The pilots at Skywest voted in favor of flying the 700 for 200 rates. It was an ace that they dealt to their management team.

Lets see,
A vote conducted by company lackeys, with no transparency, and put into place by the company. Vote? there was no vote, just a smoke and mirrors puppet show conducted by the likes of DL, ME, JB et al.
The wool was pulled over your eyes and the company laughs all the way to the bank. Children stop believing in the easter bunny around 4-5, SKYW pilots continue believe in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. skyturd, jea and $hitpac all drink the kool-aid, and don't even realize that the kool-aid fountain is really JA's own personal urinal.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What I meant is how does management come up with the wages to begin with?

They take the most outrageous rate they can think of, run it by the SAPA lackey force, if they don't soil their Depends adult undergarments, it must be good. Then the salesforce that they spend more than $600,000 a year on proceed to sell it with the usual smoke and mirrors,"deal me an ace" puppet show. The turdz like skyturd et al, then whiff on the freshly loaded diaper smell emanating from the company proposal, and their SJS addled "brains", think "wow that will be really cool to be a pilot on an airplane with GASP, 70 whole seats, go to training and then fly it for, GASP the same rate as those crappy 50 seaters." Wow the company really must love me" passes through their pea brains, because they bought me a plane that is even easier to fly than those crappy 50 seat POSs. Well after the SJS wears off and the 70s start to have that a$$ smell their SJS addled brains start to add the difference that all the pilots at other carriers get more money to do the same work, and the grumbling starts. SKYW mgmt hears the grumbling all the way out at the houseboat, over the roar of the Bombarier jet skis, while drinking umbrella drinks served by SAPA toads(wearing french maid outfits) and add some goofy "override" formula to quell the rumblings, so they can get back to their umbrella drinks, having spent 5-8 minutes deciding on how to pull the wool back down over the pilots eyes.
Enough for now, gotta go fly!
PBR

 

[Nevets]

Lets see,
A vote conducted by company lackeys, with no transparency, and put into place by the company. Vote? there was no vote, just a smoke and mirrors puppet show conducted by the likes of DL, ME, JB et al.
The wool was pulled over your eyes and the company laughs all the way to the bank. Children stop believing in the easter bunny around 4-5, SKYW pilots continue believe in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. skyturd, jea and $hitpac all drink the kool-aid, and don't even realize that the kool-aid fountain is really JA's own personal urinal.
PBR

But what I'm asking is how do they come up with the rate that they put up to vote to begin with?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

But what I'm asking is how do they come up with the rate that they put up to vote to begin with?

I believe they rounded a .1% raise down to 0% for the the EMB pilots, and this allowed them to round a 1/2% raise up to a whopping 1%(total for the next 4 years)for the RJ's...this after no COLA since out anniversary prior to 9/11(another 7 years of 0%)!

This was apparently more than enought to keep the kool-aid swillers like Skynation more anti-ALPA than ever!

 

[Nevets]

I believe they rounded a .1% raise down to 0% for the the EMB pilots, and this allowed them to round a 1/2% raise up to a whopping 1%(total for the next 4 years)for the RJ's...this after no COLA since out anniversary prior to 9/11(another 7 years of 0%)!

This was apparently more than enought to keep the kool-aid swillers like Skynation more anti-ALPA than ever!

Did Skywest management look at what other unionized regionals were paying their pilots' to set their own rate?

 

[Nevets]

Does SAPA do this?


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[Gr82Aviate]

Did Skywest management look at what other unionized regionals were paying their pilots' to set their own rate?

Sorry, I was being sarcastic because I felt the "offer" they made was so sad and pathetic...it seems to me the only thing they did was try and figure out what figure was the absolute lowest they could offer and then have SAPA push as a fabulous offer that we had better vote yes on.?!
So they came up with 1% for some, 0% for others after we turned down the original very generous 1.2% for everyone...

 

[Nevets]

So if SAPA doesn't do any of this, what exactly do they do with their management funded agenda?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

So if SAPA doesn't do any of this, what exactly do they do with their management funded agenda?

Wined and dined by CC, JA etc...maybe a little golf with the boys, all for their 105 hour guarantee without flying the line?