Does COEX care about the kind of multi time you have?

[BRA]

50 multi and got the ATR at coex? A bunch of your friends too? 12 multi and got the baron at airnet? I swear i do everything the hardest way possible!!!!!! Amazing how important timing is. A year ago today I don't think eagle or coex were even hiring. Around january and feb. coex was hiring and you needed 500 multi just to continue the online application i think. Now they want 600 total time. I hope the majors get jumping like this in the next few years!

 

[I.P. Freley]

I was hired at coex with 100 multi and had no problems getting through training. Does that mean anyone can pass training with 100 hours of multi, no.....but it can be done.

It ABSOLUTELY can be done. I know two people that got hired at CoEx and breezed through training and are now captains senior enough to not have been downgraded even after the flowbacks post-9/11.

Of course, those two guys that had 100ME had resumes and logbooks that said they had over 200ME, if you get my drift.

I point this out mostly to agree, in principle, with that which has been stated already... Having 100ME or 200ME or 2000ME is not really the point. The point is whether or not you can adapt to the training program and adapt to the airline way of life. The half-dozen-plus guys I know who are at EJ now who actually had the mins when they were interviewed have done no better or no worse, near as I can tell, as the guys who flew with the Bic (seniority issues aside). Heck, I think a reasonably intelligent, proficient pilot with ZERO ME time (no ME rating, even) could easily learn to make it through the training program at most airlines.

I am still mystified that EJ feels that they need to lower their mins to 600/100... I will ask this again, as it's never really been answered, why do y'all feel you need to lower the mins to this point? Surely there are enough qualified applicants who meet the old minimums??

To the person that started this thread... Find a way to get that next 50hrs and you'll probably get the interview. Be careful to not have TOO much time, though... From what I understand, EJ is reluctant to offer you a job if you have too much TT as compared to your ME time, as it suggests you haven't had the "drive" to make yourself competitive as soon as possible (as a f'rinstance, I don't personally know anyone who was hired there that had over 2000TT, though obviously some people have been hired with that and more, like another poster on this thread).

 

[I.P. Freley]

No BS take a good look at your multi time and ask yourself honestly Do I have enought time and experience with a Multi complex airplane to have a shot at making it though a class at any airline?

To add to my own prior post... This mindset is something that I find totally vexing... What about the pilot that has a ME rating, but only 15 hours or so that they got when they went for the rating... But has 2500TT, 1500 of which is in a Caravan flying night freight, single pilot?

Is this person REALLY less qualified than the guy/gal who has 600TT, but had the $$$ to rent a Seminole for 100hrs? In my mind, the ME requirement is simply to thin out the herd of applicants. Is flying a big twin really any different from flying a complex single? Unless, of course, you have an engine failure?

In my 4700hrs of flying ME airplanes, I've never had a failure that would make the airplane any more difficult to fly than a single of similar performance. I'd bet that my experience is similar to that of most pro pilots... And for those pro pilots that HAVE had a failure of an engine in a multi-engine airplane, do you think that your many hours of ME time was the reason you didn't spin it into the ground? Or... Was it the training in such situations in the sim that taught you how not to crash?

I think the ME minimums are bogus as refers to the innate qualities of a pilot applicant. Like I said above, it just helps drain the pool of applicants when you can go straight for the "more qualified" pilots. However, when the minimums are 600/100, exactly how qualified are the applicants anyway? I simply don't understand why a company the size of EJ needs to make the mins this marginal (even at my lowly company, someone with this time would be only 50% of the way in both categories to even qualify for an interview, regardless of the quality of their recommendations).

 

[SLFLYHI]

50 multi and got the ATR at coex? A bunch of your friends too? 12 multi and got the baron at airnet? I swear i do everything the hardest way possible!!!!!! Amazing how important timing is. A year ago today I don't think eagle or coex were even hiring. Around january and feb. coex was hiring and you needed 500 multi just to continue the online application i think. Now they want 600 total time. I hope the majors get jumping like this in the next few years!

I just told a bunch of college kids who are just starting out that there has NEVER been a better time to be doing what they're doing. Think I'm nuts? When I got out of college in 1994, nobody was hiring....my flight instructors had 1500tt and couldn't get spit on by Great Lakes - they're at SWA, NJA, UAL now. History proves that the airline industry ebbs and flows. Sure, there are events like 9/11 that accelerate the downswing, but even with the current troubles, the industry will recover (may not look like it does today, but it will recover), and there will be plenty, I say again, PLENTY of jobs for those who really want it.

And I say don't worry about the thousands of pilots who are furloughed, many of them have gotten other jobs and won't come back, lots are taking early retirements, and the LCCs are going to grow. Yes, times are tough now, but if you look at history, this is almost predictable. By 2006-8, everyone who wants a flying job will have one. It's true that you won't make $250,000 and fly a B-747 10 days a month, but that dream wasn't realistic in the first place.

If you love flying, stick it out. You may ONLY make $80,000/yr flying an RJ, but that still beats a desk job and golden watch after 30 yrs.

Flame away if you want, but history will prove me right.

 

[Nova]

I just told a bunch of college kids who are just starting out that there has NEVER been a better time to be doing what they're doing. Think I'm nuts?

Those starting out can expect to be hitting the job market in 4-5 years. Will/can this current hiring trend last that long? How many regionals will be still taking jet orders by then? How many regional/major airlines will disappear through consolidation by then?

Sure there will be a ton of retirements but it seems that the top of the job pyramid is shrinking just as fast. When was the last time that CAL showed growth of even 1 pilot? 5 years? 6 years?

I agree the industry ebbs and flows but I think now we're seeing a shift rather than the standard ebb and flow. No longer can we time hiring surges as the traditional carrier progression is gone. Before the majors would hire from the regionals who would hire from the cargo/instructor field. Everyone was in a magical conga line. Now that draw from the top is in question and may never return as we once knew it which then jeopardizes one's expectations of pilot growth at those lower levels.

We're seeing pilots jump from one regional to the next, from a major to a LCC, fractional to fractional, LCC to LCC, etc. There is a see of pilots out there that just waiting for the next big opening. When these fleet orders at the regionals/nationals slow or stop in a few years things could be real tough for the new guys.

 

[wheelsup]

(as a f'rinstance, I don't personally know anyone who was hired there that had over 2000TT, though obviously some people have been hired with that and more, like another poster on this thread).

My old chief pilot at a former flight school was hired with almost 4000 hours of TT, about half of it KingAir C90 PIC time (135 charter).

You know what's nuts? He had a class date with them on 9/11/01 or just after. 3 years later he finally got the job!

~wheelsup

 

[I.P. Freley]

Now THAT is amazing. I thought most companies flushed their pools around a year after 9/11. I know three people who were poolies at AirWisc and they were told "thanks for your time, try again" in the summer of '02, after treading water since the prior summer.

 

[boxjockey]

All of the people who were poolies were dumped after 9-11. They were called first when the hiring began again to repeat the interview process (one was in my interview group). I was hired with 2300 total, 750 multi, and 160 turbine PIC. From what I'm hearing, they are turning away a large part of the applicants during the interview, as many as 70%. Since they've interviewed probably 2000 people by now, they have to lower the mins to keep filling interview classes. Now as for flying jobs being available in the next 6-10 years, there are going to be a ton. Air traffic is supposed to double from the late 90's levels by 2012 I do believe. Combine that with the baby-boomers retiring over the next 6-8 years and voila, you have a ton of flying jobs. They definitely won't be the 747 job at United we may have dreamed about, but the people are going to have to move from point A-B. I don't really see a replacement to air travel anytime soon, do you? Everyone just needs to relax, make the best of what you are currently doing, and wait it out. I predict much better prospects on the not too distant horizon. My $.3 cents.


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[I.P. Freley]

Anyone know what old hiring ratio was back in the "Continental Express" days? Were they turning away 70% back then, too?

Of course by "back then" I mean only 3 or 4 years ago.

 

[Nova]

At least that many were turned away from those that I interviewed with almost 5 years ago. 3 of us out of about 15-20 where given class dates that day.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

With a 30% chance of getting hired after the interview, what have been the average times of those actually hired?

 

[I.P. Freley]

With a 30% chance of getting hired after the interview, what have been the average times of those actually hired?

They could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

I'm ready......

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Once you have an interview, I think its all about knowing your stuff. Some low timers get hired, some high timers get hired...they are just looking for the people in the group who are honest, knowledgeable, that communicate well, and can handle themselves under pressure. Having the biggest resume isn't a guarenteed job.

 

[boxjockey]

Also being able to follow instructions, PRECISELY the way they were given, seems to be very important. A proper attitude is the number one thing they are looking for.


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