Does anybody read the AIM anymore?

[HAZ-MAT]

I'm guilty...just the way my instructor taught me 10 years ago... Another tid-bit... Do not announce Right Base. Its in the AIM, but its also under part 91 in the FARs....I guess there is a FAA inspector in WY that got one of our flight crew for announcing their right base... which was a violation of the FARs. So just announce final with every turn!!!
:beer:

 

[CA1900]

Another tid-bit... Do not announce Right Base. Its in the AIM, but its also under part 91 in the FARs....I guess there is a FAA inspector in WY that got one of our flight crew for announcing their right base... which was a violation of the FARs.

Why in the world would announcing a right base be a violation of the FARs if there's a published/marked right-hand traffic pattern?

 

[HAZ-MAT]

if there's a published/marked right-hand traffic pattern?

Sorry, forgot to include that... if not depicted, then Right traffic is not correct... It used to just be in the AIM, but recently it has made its way into the FARs.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

Why in the world would announcing a right base be a violation of the FARs if there's a published/marked right-hand traffic pattern?

Call turning a three mile final and it doesn't matter if it's a right turn or left you are making a straight in.

Tell them you heard it from MR. WRIGHT

 

[bluefishbeagle]

You never said or done anything wrong? Wow, I thought there were only 2 Wright Brothers, but sounds like you must the the 3rd one out there then. Listen here Mr. Right....just take your 2 worthless cents and move on. Nobody really cares anyway....

Current proceedures at non-towered airports cover position reports "any traffic please advise" has no meaning. Advise what? your catering will be late? How can the guy with his volume turned down advise you and anything? Don't you still have to look outside the window? TCAS is great but not if the other guy has his/her transponder turned off. "any traffic please advise may give a warm fuzzy feeling but you are still very likely to get a C152 shoved up your butt no matter how many times you say it if you don't look. Dumb is a dumb does.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Current proceedures at non-towered airports cover position reports "any traffic please advise" has no meaning. Advise what? your catering will be late? How can the guy with his volume turned down advise you and anything? Don't you still have to look outside the window? TCAS is great but not if the other guy has his/her transponder turned off. "any traffic please advise may give a warm fuzzy feeling but you are still very likely to get a C152 shoved up your butt no matter how many times you say it if you don't look. Dumb is a dumb does.

If your assuming that everyone only relys on TCAS at small uncontrolled airports, I believe that you are gravely mistaken. Ofcourse everyone is looking......you are making an assumption that anyone who states something that isnt listed in the AIM anymore has made him/herself exempt from the see and avoid concept. And remember, its not just looking out the window in the pattern......you just never know when a glider is gonna be zipping along without a transponder on at a mid level altitude either. I probably say things that are non standard on the radio along with everyone else. I guess some can admit their faults and others.....well, I guess they cant now can they bluefish?

 

[Photoflight]

what i don't understand is why your against safety.

What does taking 1/2 second of radio time to ask people to advise of there locations bother you?

If people want to use all the tools available in order to aid aviation safety I say thats just fantastic.


And if a 150 ever flew fast enough to get "shoved up" a jets ass well...good for that guy.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Call turning a three mile final and it doesn't matter if it's a right turn or left you are making a straight in.

Tell them you heard it from MR. WRIGHT

Try doing that in BHB....the guy down there loves to rat people out for just that one scenario. If he does and radar shows you turning from a base leg other than whats required for that airport, thats all she wrote. Can we still tell the feds that we heard "it" from Mr. Wright and were good to go?

 

[fischman]

Wow

Hey Net jets guys: One of your finest was heard recently using unprofessional radio phraseology not once but six times inbound to a non-towered airport. No one ever answered him but everyone within 100 miles on 122.7 got to listen to his amateur transmissions.

Please read and heed: Any traffic in the area please advise....... ugh

Aim chapter 4-1-9-g1


g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
1. General.Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.

Wow.

It IS going to hurt, but it is time to take that corn cob out of your a$$.

What is so wrong about asking where the other traffic is? Honestly. Is there a pilot out there, even a student, that doesn't know how to respond to, "Any traffic in the area, please advise."

If you don't hear anything, are you going to stop looking??? Honestly???

What is the harm in asking if there is traffic in the area? Even if one person answers, that is one person you know the location of. WTF???

Try a little common sense. Sheesh!!!

 

[captain dad]

That is why it is an AIM not FARs.

Look at 4-2-1 paragraph a and b. It has to do with IFR communications. Which applies to real life more than just buzzing around the patch in clear and a million.
MVFR (even VFR) transitions from IFR and an ATC controller to a non-towered airport while on a IFR flight plan are dangerous enough. Most operators require several radio calls on more than one frequency in the decent. Do to crap transmitters at little airports, the last 40 miles inbound can get busy. When you're slowing from 250kts, it goes by quick. Meanwhile, you're focused on ATC, doing checklists, looking for an unfamiliar airport in the haze, you may not want to trust your safety on Jimbo, the local hunyuck instructor, making position reports on every touch and go or Bob, the Sunday flier who thinks radios are for listening to, and doesn't want to ware his mic out. Who is the foolish one, the guy asking for a traffic report or the guy who refuses to answer? You can have your chuckle and act all self righteous because the AIM said so, but please do me a favor and answer the guy that asks for traffic. You might save him and yourself from a short painful death. Feel all superior when you are on the ground. Safety and understanding are key.

 

[skiandsurf]

Wow.


Try a little common sense. Sheesh!!!

This is the problem, low time pilots that know the FARs and AIM inside and out, but no real life experience or common sense. Its all about communicating with other pilots, stating your location and intentions and asking of others for their location and intentions. If any FED has a problem with that, they havent a clue.

 

[say again]

Current proceedures at non-towered airports cover position reports "any traffic please advise" has no meaning. Advise what? your catering will be late? How can the guy with his volume turned down advise you and anything? Don't you still have to look outside the window? TCAS is great but not if the other guy has his/her transponder turned off. "any traffic please advise may give a warm fuzzy feeling but you are still very likely to get a C152 shoved up your butt no matter how many times you say it if you don't look. Dumb is a dumb does.

Hahaha!!! I think I found the most moronic, POS pilot on this board!! Thanks for the laugh bro. Your grammar and spelling is horrible, but it makes sense knowing the moron you play so well!! Have fun with the warm and fuzzies fagboy!! Remember- dumb is "as" dumb does!! Get it right ******************************bag:beer:

 

[Wankel7]

So what did this cat say?

100 nm out did he say "GTFO HERE I COME!" ?

 

[livethedream]

the worst is the jet on a 17 mile final. heard from another NJA jet into TRK

 

[tathepilot]

The biggest thing that ticks me off is at untowered fields when someone picks up and ifr clearence, and then goes back to the fbo to have a sandwich or something, closing the airport for other ifr aircraft for an hour or so. (I'm assuming the field is ifr or mvfr.) Drives me crazy to sit and circle because some bozo doesn't know to ask for a clearance with a hold for release.

Picking up a clearance won't shut down an airport for inbound or outbound traffic unless a 'release' is given.. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.. I pick up a clearance all the time than go back into the FBO.. Getting a clearance, than being told 'hold for release, will clear airspace for a departure, or make room for an arrival..