DL's TA and Regional Contracts at a Glance

[JoeMerchant]

"The rumors of our death are greatly exagerated"

 

[Texx]

You skywest guys are really confident

My crystal balls haven't been wrong yet. When it comes to new a/c (rjs), mainline will not finance OR buy them anymore. They want a clean balance sheet. So with that who out there has the ability to purchase?

 

[titans10]

YES we are! Management has 40 years of that atitude.

Someone sounds very happy. even though others will suffer?

 

[777forever]

My crystal balls haven't been wrong yet. When it comes to new a/c (rjs), mainline will not finance OR buy them anymore. They want a clean balance sheet. So with that who out there has the ability to purchase?

Absolutely right! If Gojets had so much power they could have financed the Horizon birds themselves to fly for Delta

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[trip]

Delta will want to hold the leases on the 76'ers as it gives them great negotiating and whipsaw power among the bidders. This is one of the biggest sticking points between DL and the partners that can and will purchase/lease they own A/C. The lease holder knows they can always place the A/C elsewhere if things become unprofitable with the current contract.

 

[JettBoii]

When does the reduction begin?

 

[silver02ex]

When does the reduction begin?

Probably summer of next year.

 

[amcnd]

Delta will want to hold the leases on the 76'ers as it gives them great negotiating and whipsaw power among the bidders. This is one of the biggest sticking points between DL and the partners that can and will purchase/lease they own A/C. The lease holder knows they can always place the A/C elsewhere if things become unprofitable with the current contract.

They want to... But will they. If rumors are true and SKW has a "big loan" and locked up the next 250 900's out of the factory, then what?? Not saying this has happened. But is possible...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

SkyW Inc has a LOT of 50 seaters. Probably gonna be hard to keep those flying as contracts expire. The Cost per Seat Mile is way too high.

Silly pilot,
Contract expires, fly said A/C to Bogota load them up with refined cocaine powders, place Mesa stickers on the side and at 7:06 AM land gear up on a desert road, unload and torch in place, thermite would work nicely. The beauty of the plan is the DEA/FBI would not be shocked at JO doing something DeLorean like that. Buy small island in the Keys retire listening to J.Buffett.

 

[JettBoii]

Maybe after the end of the summer schedule the reductions
might start slipping in.

 

[xjhawk]

I think Pinnacle will be on the end of losing all or most of their CRJ 200's. But there are some who think Pinnacle will get the 70 new regional planes from the Delta contract. I tend to think those 70 planes will be used as a carrot to have other DCI carriers remove their crj 200's on a 2:1 basis like ASA did with those 900's that Mesaba was suppose to get.

What does the number 450 mean to you if you are at Pinnacle? Its your seniority number and you are the last FO on the seniority list. That is what 450 means to me.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Pinnacle post bankruptcy will have much more advantage to take airplanes and shed many older 200s that at maintenance problems. No one should see Pinnacle as all but gone. They will be a significant force to be reckoned with, and other DCI carriers should pay close attention.

 

[Canadair RJ]

1. DING DING DING
2. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

Keep an eye on the APA/AA deal. IF and IF that deal passes, there will be a 3 way deal that involves AA, DAL, SKYW and ASA. Sorry XE.

Right. Because more unprofitable 50 seat flying is just what AMR wants and needs. What flavor kool aid are y'all drinking over there? Some of you guys are ridiculous.

 

[XPOO]

Right. Because more unprofitable 50 seat flying is just what AMR wants and needs. What flavor kool aid are y'all drinking over there? Some of you guys are ridiculous.

It's profitable when SkyWest can operate those 50s cheaper than anyone else in the industry. Just ask United. SkyWest started flying at-risk routes with 50s about three years ago, and today United has taken them all back under contract. Are you telling me United is taking back unprofitable flying?

 

[Canadair RJ]

It's profitable when SkyWest can operate those 50s cheaper than anyone else in the industry. Just ask United. SkyWest started flying at-risk routes with 50s about three years ago, and today United has taken them all back under contract. Are you telling me United is taking back unprofitable flying?

That very well may be, but I don't see it in writing and generally do take anything I see on these forums with a grain of salt. But, I'm saying why would AMR feed out 50 seat flying? Especially with them taking so much from the Eagle contracts, it's going to be cheaper to do it in house. Plus they don't want to grow that flying. Now, the 70+ seat flying...I could possibly see an argument for that. I'd expect the bottom feeders to win out on this as well. And FWIW, I did read an article a few months back saying SkyWest rejected two RFPs because they wouldn't be profitable.

 

[777forever]

Pinnacle post bankruptcy will have much more advantage to take airplanes and shed many older 200s that at maintenance problems. No one should see Pinnacle as all but gone. They will be a significant force to be reckoned with, and other DCI carriers should pay close attention.

I disagree. Haven't seen a peep of growth out of post bankruptcy Mesa. Maybe if the mainline carrier supplies the planes but I just can't see PNCL financing a large amount of RJs at a competitive rate vs a large stable company like SKW.

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[777forever]

That very well may be, but I don't see it in writing and generally do take anything I see on these forums with a grain of salt. But, I'm saying why would AMR feed out 50 seat flying? Especially with them taking so much from the Eagle contracts, it's going to be cheaper to do it in house. Plus they don't want to grow that flying. Now, the 70+ seat flying...I could possibly see an argument for that. I'd expect the bottom feeders to win out on this as well. And FWIW, I did read an article a few months back saying SkyWest rejected two RFPs because they wouldn't be profitable.

One was definitely the 12 Comair planes that went to GoJet and the other I think was the United Q400 flying.

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[CRJ puppy]

Pinnacle post bankruptcy will have much more advantage to take airplanes and shed many older 200s that at maintenance problems. No one should see Pinnacle as all but gone. They will be a significant force to be reckoned with, and other DCI carriers should pay close attention.

This is called "bait". Please don't take the bait. You will end up being someone's "prize".

 

[i fly boxes]

I bet gojet gets every single new 900 plus all of comairs. I bet they will be over 100 planes in 3 years

 

[777forever]

I bet gojet gets every single new 900 plus all of comairs. I bet they will be over 100 planes in 3 years

I bet they don't get any planes that aren't already owned by Delta. I bet they get Comairs 700s and 900s at best, nothing more.




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