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XRMEFLYER
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Nobodies picking on on you spanker. You sound like the kid from Jr. High who runs his mouth until he gets slapped around, then cries about being picked on.
"I am over qualified for your job" That is exactly the kind of self righteous drivel that fins is talking about. It may make you feel better about yourself, but it is counterproductive and flat wrong as well. In fact, unless you have been dropping steel on camel molesters for god and country since your unfortunate demise over there at DAL, every day that goes by without your flying makes you less and less qualified to work anywhere.
As for your not wanting to lower yourself to work at Comair, good, great, happy to hear it, that does not in any way mitigate the fact that your amigos over there think that they have been wronged somehow by not being given "something for nothing." So you can just hop right off of your high horse on that one hero!
So you paid strike assessment dues during the strike and bought someone a coke. The strike assessment was not done out of the goodness of your heart, it was mandatory for all ALPA members and you probably pinched the coke from the galley.
Orange Charger,
BFD! You sound like one of those guys who likes to sit around and tell all of the newbies how hard it used to be and how you used to have to walk to school bare foot in the snow uphill...
2011 posts....Get over yourself and get a hobby. Come up with some new material that doesn't include telling us all how much you care about your furloughs and how Comair pilots are all doomed and how everyone needs to take a pay cut if you are.
Self righteous, sanctimonious PRIK!
AMF
"I am over qualified for your job" That is exactly the kind of self righteous drivel that fins is talking about. It may make you feel better about yourself, but it is counterproductive and flat wrong as well. In fact, unless you have been dropping steel on camel molesters for god and country since your unfortunate demise over there at DAL, every day that goes by without your flying makes you less and less qualified to work anywhere.
As for your not wanting to lower yourself to work at Comair, good, great, happy to hear it, that does not in any way mitigate the fact that your amigos over there think that they have been wronged somehow by not being given "something for nothing." So you can just hop right off of your high horse on that one hero!
So you paid strike assessment dues during the strike and bought someone a coke. The strike assessment was not done out of the goodness of your heart, it was mandatory for all ALPA members and you probably pinched the coke from the galley.
Orange Charger,
BFD! You sound like one of those guys who likes to sit around and tell all of the newbies how hard it used to be and how you used to have to walk to school bare foot in the snow uphill...
2011 posts....Get over yourself and get a hobby. Come up with some new material that doesn't include telling us all how much you care about your furloughs and how Comair pilots are all doomed and how everyone needs to take a pay cut if you are.
Self righteous, sanctimonious PRIK!
AMF
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Allah be praised!
And I have been through both EMB-120 school and 72 panel school. They were about the same intensity and difficulty, but the 120 type ride involved a 3 a.m. single engine no-flap circle to land at Albany - in a real airplane! And if you couldn't make a landing out of it, automatic bust....
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Huck, Did that FE ride include failures of all systems including cranking the gear down while dumping fuel? The two guys upfront were line check guys (management pilots) and they were laughing the whole time too---due to everything failing. They kept looking at me asking, "What's wrong??? Do something!!!"
I think I lost 10 pounds worth of sweat on that ride. I flew the E120 too and remember the V1 cuts being interesting with the large amount of rudder required to keep it straight....
Bye Bye---General Lee
I think I lost 10 pounds worth of sweat on that ride. I flew the E120 too and remember the V1 cuts being interesting with the large amount of rudder required to keep it straight....
Bye Bye---General Lee
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My front enders were non-seniority professional instructors... mostly retired guys. We say at FDX that, in our 727 professional instructor ranks, the Eastern guys are waiting for the Braniff guys to die off so they can take over.
The last professional instructor I had up front had suspenders on and a big Good Sam button on his cowboy hat - he must have left mamma behind in the rig.
And ALWAYS terminate the dump before you get up to swing the gear. Ask me how I know this....
(By the way, I was turned down at the Kremlin in 1999 after phase three - Plato told me I could never reapply at DAL in this lifetime - If I ever see that dude I'm gonna kiss him on the mouth....)
The last professional instructor I had up front had suspenders on and a big Good Sam button on his cowboy hat - he must have left mamma behind in the rig.
And ALWAYS terminate the dump before you get up to swing the gear. Ask me how I know this....
(By the way, I was turned down at the Kremlin in 1999 after phase three - Plato told me I could never reapply at DAL in this lifetime - If I ever see that dude I'm gonna kiss him on the mouth....)
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spanky2
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Huck said:
Huck,
Thought you might like this story....
I know someone at FedEx turned down at Delta 97-99 (can't remember exactly when). Hired at FedEx and was later (12 months or more)called by Delta. They asked him to update his info then shortly thereafter offered him a job. OVER THE PHONE. I think it had something to do with that wacko psychological examiner.
XRMEFLYER
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Guilty as charged!
Feeling a little defensive about that one fellow? What was said was not directed at you or at any one other than the guy/gal who opened his/her pie hole on the matter, so relax. If you take the time to put the statement into context you will see that the target of my ire had suggested that he/she had done so for altruistic reasons when the tone and language of his/her posts clearly show that to not be the case.
If it is taking a cheap shot to point out when someone is being a patronizing horse's ass, then again, guilty as charged!
AMF
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When somebody sends in a check each month for something--the person is usually "for" that cause. We at Delta accepted paying those dues to ensure Comair would win and get better wages etc. To think otherwise is foolish. We helped them (along with others) during their time of NEED. Too bad they couldn't help our furloughs when it was their time of NEED......The truth hurts...
Bye Bye--General Lee
Bye Bye--General Lee
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XRMEFLYER
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You are correct Mr. Coffee. That is not to say as GL pointed out that the vast majority of those who wrote those checks did not in fact write them with best wishes for success.
The point is that because it was mandatory, you do not get to say with any credibility anyway that because you wrote that check you should get "something for nothing"(hiring practice at Comair with respect to furloughees and seniority numbers) or that you aren't a pompous hypocrite who likes to tell everyone how imminently qualifed you are for someone else's job.
GL,
I agree with most of what you have to say most of the time, but it just seems that you can't help yourself. Clearly you have forgotten where you came from, because while you like to point out that your background included slaving away in the salt mines with us peasants, your actions(or words in this case) consistantly show disdain for the very people you claim to be behind.
What would you have the rank and file pilots at Comair done about that? Out of their hands really and I'm not convinced that their MEC had any influence on the matter either. The decision rested with the management at Comair and DCI and ultimately DAL. PERIOD, END OF STORY.
Yet you never miss an opportunity to hang it over the heads of those who had nothing to do with it. Right, wrong or otherwise it is not those guys/gals fault that it played out that way and you really ought to leave it alone. Do you not think that the vast majority of those folks at Comair would have welcomed your furloughs on the list behind them "line" number at delta or otherwise? If so then it is you sir who are being foolish.
BTW, I agree that they should have had the opportunity to work there without resigning their "line number" even though it does kind of sound a bit like getting "something for nothing." It really should have been a non issue. Then those who didn't feel that it was beneath them,(Spanker), could have stayed in the game and gotten to fly a pretty cool airplane while they waited for a recall. It really is a shame.
AMF
The point is that because it was mandatory, you do not get to say with any credibility anyway that because you wrote that check you should get "something for nothing"(hiring practice at Comair with respect to furloughees and seniority numbers) or that you aren't a pompous hypocrite who likes to tell everyone how imminently qualifed you are for someone else's job.
GL,
I agree with most of what you have to say most of the time, but it just seems that you can't help yourself. Clearly you have forgotten where you came from, because while you like to point out that your background included slaving away in the salt mines with us peasants, your actions(or words in this case) consistantly show disdain for the very people you claim to be behind.
What would you have the rank and file pilots at Comair done about that? Out of their hands really and I'm not convinced that their MEC had any influence on the matter either. The decision rested with the management at Comair and DCI and ultimately DAL. PERIOD, END OF STORY.
Yet you never miss an opportunity to hang it over the heads of those who had nothing to do with it. Right, wrong or otherwise it is not those guys/gals fault that it played out that way and you really ought to leave it alone. Do you not think that the vast majority of those folks at Comair would have welcomed your furloughs on the list behind them "line" number at delta or otherwise? If so then it is you sir who are being foolish.
BTW, I agree that they should have had the opportunity to work there without resigning their "line number" even though it does kind of sound a bit like getting "something for nothing." It really should have been a non issue. Then those who didn't feel that it was beneath them,(Spanker), could have stayed in the game and gotten to fly a pretty cool airplane while they waited for a recall. It really is a shame.
AMF
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spanky2
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XRM,
Thanks for the sage advice...o' wise / experinced one. I sleep pretty well...unless it is a tent in a foreign land....then I hope you sleep well my friend. I stand by my statement...something for nothing...is the RJDC motto. ALPA = necessary evil...in a perfect world, services not needed. The world is not a level playing field. Nothing personal, just fact. Thanks for your service to our great nation.
Thanks for the sage advice...o' wise / experinced one. I sleep pretty well...unless it is a tent in a foreign land....then I hope you sleep well my friend. I stand by my statement...something for nothing...is the RJDC motto. ALPA = necessary evil...in a perfect world, services not needed. The world is not a level playing field. Nothing personal, just fact. Thanks for your service to our great nation.
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XRMEFLYER,
It is true that we all HAD to write the checks for the assessment, and again I say that we all wanted Comair to win---why wouldn't we? We had just received a huge contract increase and at the time Delta was doing just fine financially. We did what we could legally, and we were amazed at what eventually happened. All of that is true. Now, to say that the resulting response after we started furlouoghing big time was UNDERWHELMING from the Comair camp (pilots, management, etc) is an understatement. The Comair MEC chair--lawson---did meet with our MEC Chair at the time and in the conversation somewhere (I wasn't there) was a request for more growth inexchange for some possible help. That right there is using our furloughs---in their time of need---as PAWNS. The ASA people (management---pilots---whoever) didn't seem to mind bringing them over, and Delta obviously didn't mind---since they are really paying for everything. (They would pay for the Comair training too---something that Randy says is their responsibility--WRONG) It is all just a big scam.
As far as my participation---I feel VERY LUCKY not to be in that situation, and I do know quite a few people who are still furloughed, unable to get a job without giving up their Delta rights. A lot of my friends are not at the bottom of the list---most are in the middle. What would you do? If you were 700 or so from the bottom out of 1060--would you give up your rights? It makes me mad to see Comair hiring and our guys not be given a chance--when we all helped (not all by ourselves) them out. As far as the "golden rules" at Comair---they should be broken--without using our people as pawns. They would go to the bottom anyway--not affecting anyone.
Bye Bye--General Lee 
It is true that we all HAD to write the checks for the assessment, and again I say that we all wanted Comair to win---why wouldn't we? We had just received a huge contract increase and at the time Delta was doing just fine financially. We did what we could legally, and we were amazed at what eventually happened. All of that is true. Now, to say that the resulting response after we started furlouoghing big time was UNDERWHELMING from the Comair camp (pilots, management, etc) is an understatement. The Comair MEC chair--lawson---did meet with our MEC Chair at the time and in the conversation somewhere (I wasn't there) was a request for more growth inexchange for some possible help. That right there is using our furloughs---in their time of need---as PAWNS. The ASA people (management---pilots---whoever) didn't seem to mind bringing them over, and Delta obviously didn't mind---since they are really paying for everything. (They would pay for the Comair training too---something that Randy says is their responsibility--WRONG) It is all just a big scam.
As far as my participation---I feel VERY LUCKY not to be in that situation, and I do know quite a few people who are still furloughed, unable to get a job without giving up their Delta rights. A lot of my friends are not at the bottom of the list---most are in the middle. What would you do? If you were 700 or so from the bottom out of 1060--would you give up your rights? It makes me mad to see Comair hiring and our guys not be given a chance--when we all helped (not all by ourselves) them out. As far as the "golden rules" at Comair---they should be broken--without using our people as pawns. They would go to the bottom anyway--not affecting anyone.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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