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“Methinks it rings vast, but hollow”
Bart: It would behove you to research my background before ‘shooting’ your mouth off like that. Excuse the pun. It just so happens that I have intimate knowledge of what I refer to in my previous post.
No, I am not blowing my own trumpet, but making a point.
Yes, I have ‘served’, and even more to the point, I have been operational, with the decoration and medal to prove it. I served in a branch of the special forces of my country’s military. My unit was tasked with aggressive armoured reconnaissance and Coin ops, both of which I was involved in.
America should have bombed the strategic targets that bomber command designated in the beginning of the war, and the war would have been won , end of story. There would have been no need to invade North Vietnam.
“Pansy”, ”chicken”, ”coward”, ” Just leave the fighting to those that volunteered to do it for you.” : FYI, big man, I volunteered for military service, in the special forces no less. And I would gladly volunteer for military service in the US armed forces in future, seeing that I am engaged to marry a US citizen. Unlike the hundreds of people that lie, sneak or buy their way into the US and then live off the fat of the land and the citizens, like parasites, I am prepared to help defend the country my fiancé and myself intend to raise a family in. To that effect, I have already contacted the US Coast Guard and National Guard recruiters to obtain info on serving.
And if you still want to take your spineless insults further, next year this time I shall be in the USA, and would gladly meet you so you can say it to my face.
Some people would join the military because it’s a job, a way to get through college or just pay the bills, and never imagine that they would have to take up arms. Others do it because they feel an obligation to their families, their friends, and the man standing next to them on the line. Which one are you?
Salty Dog: “Look at how well things are working out in South Africa. Letting the scumbags run rampant is not a solution. Killing every single one of your enemies is.”
Couldn’t agree more, pity the situation there now is partly thanks to the meddling of people like Bart.
Bart: It would behove you to research my background before ‘shooting’ your mouth off like that. Excuse the pun. It just so happens that I have intimate knowledge of what I refer to in my previous post.
No, I am not blowing my own trumpet, but making a point.
Yes, I have ‘served’, and even more to the point, I have been operational, with the decoration and medal to prove it. I served in a branch of the special forces of my country’s military. My unit was tasked with aggressive armoured reconnaissance and Coin ops, both of which I was involved in.
America should have bombed the strategic targets that bomber command designated in the beginning of the war, and the war would have been won , end of story. There would have been no need to invade North Vietnam.
“Pansy”, ”chicken”, ”coward”, ” Just leave the fighting to those that volunteered to do it for you.” : FYI, big man, I volunteered for military service, in the special forces no less. And I would gladly volunteer for military service in the US armed forces in future, seeing that I am engaged to marry a US citizen. Unlike the hundreds of people that lie, sneak or buy their way into the US and then live off the fat of the land and the citizens, like parasites, I am prepared to help defend the country my fiancé and myself intend to raise a family in. To that effect, I have already contacted the US Coast Guard and National Guard recruiters to obtain info on serving.
And if you still want to take your spineless insults further, next year this time I shall be in the USA, and would gladly meet you so you can say it to my face.
Some people would join the military because it’s a job, a way to get through college or just pay the bills, and never imagine that they would have to take up arms. Others do it because they feel an obligation to their families, their friends, and the man standing next to them on the line. Which one are you?
Salty Dog: “Look at how well things are working out in South Africa. Letting the scumbags run rampant is not a solution. Killing every single one of your enemies is.”
Couldn’t agree more, pity the situation there now is partly thanks to the meddling of people like Bart.
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"Never happen, though. Way too much Jewish money lining the pockets of way too many politicians, not to mention the whole neo-conservative club's grip on the Bush White House."
Neo-conservative: Noun, def. = a democratic pilot who just recently had a reality check when a SAM blew up his left wing
"Never happen, though. Way too much Jewish money lining the pockets of way too many politicians, not to mention the whole neo-conservative club's grip on the Bush White House."
Neo-conservative: Noun, def. = a democratic pilot who just recently had a reality check when a SAM blew up his left wing
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Hey Vlad...
...for a guy who busted his instrument ASEL check ride, you sure know a lot about American foreign policy.
Don't you think you would be better off spending more time reading the AIM and the regulations, and less time spouting your godless, atheistic, anti-civilization-loving, America-hating, defeatist line of pewling puke on this here board?
Besides, it is WAY past your bed time.
Have a nice day.
...for a guy who busted his instrument ASEL check ride, you sure know a lot about American foreign policy.
Don't you think you would be better off spending more time reading the AIM and the regulations, and less time spouting your godless, atheistic, anti-civilization-loving, America-hating, defeatist line of pewling puke on this here board?
Besides, it is WAY past your bed time.
Have a nice day.
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Anti jewish posters
I thought that this hate garbage will not show up on an aviation board,at least get your facts right.Iraq war 1 and 2 had nothing to do with helping the jews or jewish money to american politics.Israel was asked to stay out .The number of jews in usa is tiny and their money is not enough for taking over politics.The jewish way of life is closer to what most americans believe in,the few posters here that back the arab/muslim way of life should carefully remember that that was a big chunk of the 9/11 attack and those words parallel bin laden,I am sure that the feds will watch these pilots real close.
I thought that this hate garbage will not show up on an aviation board,at least get your facts right.Iraq war 1 and 2 had nothing to do with helping the jews or jewish money to american politics.Israel was asked to stay out .The number of jews in usa is tiny and their money is not enough for taking over politics.The jewish way of life is closer to what most americans believe in,the few posters here that back the arab/muslim way of life should carefully remember that that was a big chunk of the 9/11 attack and those words parallel bin laden,I am sure that the feds will watch these pilots real close.
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Risk in Iraq
I dunno, I think I may be the only guy here who's flown an unarmed biz-jet into Iraq. It's dangerous, but not suicidal by any means. Spiral-up and spiral-down approaches work to a certain extent.
MANPADs (ie, SA-7, SA-14, et al) can hit things past 10,000 feet. They have effective lateral ranges of about 3-5 miles. Flares work well against SA-7s, but SA-14s and more advanced MANPADS can sometimes work around flares. LIRCM (ie, the IR zapper) works fairly well, but a small jet will take a huge penalty in weight and it costs more than most light jets cost.
Anyone flying in Iraq needs to understand the risks. We flew there without flares, but since we wore tan desert flight suits, we understood the risks and accepted them.
As for the notion that we're in it for the money vs. some terrorist in it for devotion to God, that's absurd. Most of those guys (the bad guys) do it for two reasons....power and prestige. We do it mostly for devotion to our nation. I make half to a third what a civilian jet captain makes, and I fly in places much more dangerous (not just from weapons, but operating conditions as well). It's not for the money....it's for the service. I go home at night knowing that I'm making a difference, not just moving a plane load of pax from A to B.
Ask yourself this....how many of you pilots out there have known the feeling of flying overhead your destination at 15,000 feet at 350 knots...pulling the throttles to idle....passing gear extension speed you extend the gear, then go full flaps, bunt the nose over to 10 deg. nose low, and descend in a 30 deg. bank at 3000-4000 FPM....oh, and you're wearing a flak vest while doing this, and the OAT is about 48 C. As you line up on the runway, your EGPWS is screaming "Sink Rate! Sink Rate!", yet you ignore it as normal. At 300 feet AGL, you swap ends and turn the 4000 FPM descent into a tame 500-600 FPM normal glide path about 1/4 mile from the runway.
Yeah, I get paid less than an RJ captain, doing the above....because of the money! Riiiiight.
By the way, the DHL aircraft I saw over there aren't owned outright by DHL....they are an Arab-run company that flies DHL routes, sorta like the independently owned Caravan outfits that fly FEDEX feeder routes. Anyone that flies into Iraq would have to be stupid if they didn't understand that Iraq is risky airspace right now, and probably will be for the next year or so.
I dunno, I think I may be the only guy here who's flown an unarmed biz-jet into Iraq. It's dangerous, but not suicidal by any means. Spiral-up and spiral-down approaches work to a certain extent.
MANPADs (ie, SA-7, SA-14, et al) can hit things past 10,000 feet. They have effective lateral ranges of about 3-5 miles. Flares work well against SA-7s, but SA-14s and more advanced MANPADS can sometimes work around flares. LIRCM (ie, the IR zapper) works fairly well, but a small jet will take a huge penalty in weight and it costs more than most light jets cost.
Anyone flying in Iraq needs to understand the risks. We flew there without flares, but since we wore tan desert flight suits, we understood the risks and accepted them.
As for the notion that we're in it for the money vs. some terrorist in it for devotion to God, that's absurd. Most of those guys (the bad guys) do it for two reasons....power and prestige. We do it mostly for devotion to our nation. I make half to a third what a civilian jet captain makes, and I fly in places much more dangerous (not just from weapons, but operating conditions as well). It's not for the money....it's for the service. I go home at night knowing that I'm making a difference, not just moving a plane load of pax from A to B.
Ask yourself this....how many of you pilots out there have known the feeling of flying overhead your destination at 15,000 feet at 350 knots...pulling the throttles to idle....passing gear extension speed you extend the gear, then go full flaps, bunt the nose over to 10 deg. nose low, and descend in a 30 deg. bank at 3000-4000 FPM....oh, and you're wearing a flak vest while doing this, and the OAT is about 48 C. As you line up on the runway, your EGPWS is screaming "Sink Rate! Sink Rate!", yet you ignore it as normal. At 300 feet AGL, you swap ends and turn the 4000 FPM descent into a tame 500-600 FPM normal glide path about 1/4 mile from the runway.
Yeah, I get paid less than an RJ captain, doing the above....because of the money! Riiiiight.
By the way, the DHL aircraft I saw over there aren't owned outright by DHL....they are an Arab-run company that flies DHL routes, sorta like the independently owned Caravan outfits that fly FEDEX feeder routes. Anyone that flies into Iraq would have to be stupid if they didn't understand that Iraq is risky airspace right now, and probably will be for the next year or so.
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Skaz,
Let me know when you become a US citizen, and then your opinion will mean something...
as for your threat, let me know when you will be in Atlanta, I would be happy to take you up on your offer.
Arcticflier,
Thanks and actually saw Senna and Schuie run against each other last night on Speed Channel: The 1993 Belgian GP, when SHuie was with Benetton. Result: Graham Hill, Michael, Alain Prost, then Ayrton. It was so cool to see them all race. Speed is running all the races from 1993 on Sunday nights.
Let me know when you become a US citizen, and then your opinion will mean something...
as for your threat, let me know when you will be in Atlanta, I would be happy to take you up on your offer.
Arcticflier,
Thanks and actually saw Senna and Schuie run against each other last night on Speed Channel: The 1993 Belgian GP, when SHuie was with Benetton. Result: Graham Hill, Michael, Alain Prost, then Ayrton. It was so cool to see them all race. Speed is running all the races from 1993 on Sunday nights.
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1) Bush is not a good president.
2) We should never went to Iraq in the first place and Wouldn't had September 11th not happened. Bush is a war mongul like his father.
3) But yes its too late to pull out now. Its just pathetic why we are there though. Trying to be the world's police force. Look at our country's debt!!!! Lets focus on our problems and stop helping other countries and their economic and political problems.
Thats the facts folks! Plain and simple.
2) We should never went to Iraq in the first place and Wouldn't had September 11th not happened. Bush is a war mongul like his father.
3) But yes its too late to pull out now. Its just pathetic why we are there though. Trying to be the world's police force. Look at our country's debt!!!! Lets focus on our problems and stop helping other countries and their economic and political problems.
Thats the facts folks! Plain and simple.
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The way we need to fight these insurgents is the same way Saddam Hussein fought them - you not only kill them, but you kill their entire family - you bring down the whole family tree right down to the family pet. Then you drape them in pigskins and put them on public display - these people are terrorists, enemy of 'peaceful Islam.'
Now, at the same time, you get Halliburton contractors out of there, and you have Iraqi companies staffed by Iraqis rebuilding their own country under our supervision. You give them jobs, you pay them well more than they were paid during Saddam, and you let them take charge of their destiny. This is all while you block Al-Jazeera signal and Al-Arabiya and broadcast how things are REALLY going - schools improving, how electrical grids are now better, installing new towers, and you praise those hard-working Iraqis who made a choice to rebuild their country. You also broadcast your intentions to leave and you start reducing REGULAR troop levels, while bringing in special forces to deal with insurgents. You bring them jobs, you bring them money, and you deal with insurgents HARSHLY by THEIR standard, and that would be the end of it.
The problem with this plan is that it calls for gory ways - something that our nation cannot deal with. Imagine the public outcry here if we killed some insurgents and then executed their families, draped them in pigskins and left them out on display like that. To us, it's repugnant, immoral, etc.
You have to fight a war at its lowest common denominator which in this case is insurgents. We have the know-how to beat them in their own game. We choose not to do it for political reasons.
Now, at the same time, you get Halliburton contractors out of there, and you have Iraqi companies staffed by Iraqis rebuilding their own country under our supervision. You give them jobs, you pay them well more than they were paid during Saddam, and you let them take charge of their destiny. This is all while you block Al-Jazeera signal and Al-Arabiya and broadcast how things are REALLY going - schools improving, how electrical grids are now better, installing new towers, and you praise those hard-working Iraqis who made a choice to rebuild their country. You also broadcast your intentions to leave and you start reducing REGULAR troop levels, while bringing in special forces to deal with insurgents. You bring them jobs, you bring them money, and you deal with insurgents HARSHLY by THEIR standard, and that would be the end of it.
The problem with this plan is that it calls for gory ways - something that our nation cannot deal with. Imagine the public outcry here if we killed some insurgents and then executed their families, draped them in pigskins and left them out on display like that. To us, it's repugnant, immoral, etc.
You have to fight a war at its lowest common denominator which in this case is insurgents. We have the know-how to beat them in their own game. We choose not to do it for political reasons.
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"2) We should never went to Iraq in the first place and Wouldn't had September 11th not happened. Bush is a war mongul like his father."
OK first,
"We should never went to Iraq in the first place and Wouldn't had September 11th not happened."
Verb tense.....look into it.
Second,
"Bush is a war mongul like his father."
War Mongul? What the....?
I think what you meant was war monger.
War: I think we know what that is. + Monger: origin from the Greek word, manganon, for broker or dealer = war monger: someone who stirs up war desire or sentiment.
Mongul....no such word
Mongol: people who's ethnic background is chiefly from the peoples of northern and eastern Asia, Malaysians, Eskimos, and often American Indians
So your use of the term "war mongul" seems to either be un-educated or racist in nature. Which one are you?
Sorry, just had to poke a little fun at this one.
OK first,
"We should never went to Iraq in the first place and Wouldn't had September 11th not happened."
Verb tense.....look into it.
Second,
"Bush is a war mongul like his father."
War Mongul? What the....?
I think what you meant was war monger.
War: I think we know what that is. + Monger: origin from the Greek word, manganon, for broker or dealer = war monger: someone who stirs up war desire or sentiment.
Mongul....no such word
Mongol: people who's ethnic background is chiefly from the peoples of northern and eastern Asia, Malaysians, Eskimos, and often American Indians
So your use of the term "war mongul" seems to either be un-educated or racist in nature. Which one are you?
Sorry, just had to poke a little fun at this one.
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I'm sure the world is gonna come to an end any moment now, because I agree with Bart. I'm gonna be sick. 
While I will always maintain we had no business in Iraq this time (Afganistan, yes. Iraq, no) and we are just creating more of our own problems with this stellar move ... if we are going to fight another guerilla war, let's not repeat the mistakes of Vietnam. Let's not try to fight it with our nuts on a rope.
We will never win with foot patrols and a 'Hearts and Minds' program. We will win, and thus extricate ourselves from this horrendous foul-up, by LEVELING THE G@DD@MN PLACE. No half-@ssed measures this time around. I want my government and our military leaders to do everything necessary to mop this up and safely bring my former comrades home. Public opinion be d@mned! That god-forsaken sand pit is not worth even ONE more American life. Pull the press out ... then level it!
Skaz - If I've read your posts correctly you are not an American citizen. And if that is so, you were never a 'tabbed' member of the US Army Special Forces. A candy-striper maybe, but you didn't go to Q-school. Sorry if I misread.
Minh
While I will always maintain we had no business in Iraq this time (Afganistan, yes. Iraq, no) and we are just creating more of our own problems with this stellar move ... if we are going to fight another guerilla war, let's not repeat the mistakes of Vietnam. Let's not try to fight it with our nuts on a rope.
We will never win with foot patrols and a 'Hearts and Minds' program. We will win, and thus extricate ourselves from this horrendous foul-up, by LEVELING THE G@DD@MN PLACE. No half-@ssed measures this time around. I want my government and our military leaders to do everything necessary to mop this up and safely bring my former comrades home. Public opinion be d@mned! That god-forsaken sand pit is not worth even ONE more American life. Pull the press out ... then level it!
Skaz - If I've read your posts correctly you are not an American citizen. And if that is so, you were never a 'tabbed' member of the US Army Special Forces. A candy-striper maybe, but you didn't go to Q-school. Sorry if I misread.
Minh
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bart said;
Sorry, your usual rhetoric can't carry you through this one. In 1990 under internationally monitored elections AND right after the war and years of US coercion, 41% of the people still voted for the Sandinista party candidates. Today, the FSLN is the largest and most popular party in Nicaragua and continue to build upon successes of the FSLN's previous years. Reagan's/Bush Sr's embarassing policies were the only ones that were "chucked out".
The methods of which you speak didn't seem to work as well as you thought.
Your knowledge of Nicaragua is hilariously lacking.
Sorry, your usual rhetoric can't carry you through this one. In 1990 under internationally monitored elections AND right after the war and years of US coercion, 41% of the people still voted for the Sandinista party candidates. Today, the FSLN is the largest and most popular party in Nicaragua and continue to build upon successes of the FSLN's previous years. Reagan's/Bush Sr's embarassing policies were the only ones that were "chucked out".
The methods of which you speak didn't seem to work as well as you thought.
Your knowledge of Nicaragua is hilariously lacking.
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Snakum sir, i dont think you misread my post, so maybe we are misunderstanding each other. I dont know the term 'tabbed' nor 'candystriper', no I am not a US citizen yet, so have never served in the US military, but yes I have been on active military duty in my country's armed forces and on operations. I think I did mention that. Dont know what point you are making, please rephrase you post if you could, thanks.
bart My opinion does mean something, as does yours. These matters affect all of us, as 'global citizens', not just American citizens.
I have no reason to threaten you, or anybody else. It is very easy to make an enemy, but hard to make a friend, and I have never backed down from a challenge. I do not intend to make enemies, friends are more welcome, invitation extended.
bart My opinion does mean something, as does yours. These matters affect all of us, as 'global citizens', not just American citizens.
I have no reason to threaten you, or anybody else. It is very easy to make an enemy, but hard to make a friend, and I have never backed down from a challenge. I do not intend to make enemies, friends are more welcome, invitation extended.
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Vlad, we can always count on you to chime in with platitudinal dribble.
I believe the founding fathers had lived in the country for some time and quite a few had fought for this county's freedom. That gave them a seat at the table in my book.
As for them being filthy and non-conformist, I was not there, so I cannot speak of their hygiene, however I do not feel they were non-conformist. They believed strongly in self-determination - free to conform or not.
Foreigner's opinions on our country's affairs means nothing to me. The war in Iraq is our countries affair. Other countries have had opportunity to inject themselves into the situation and have chosen not to. I believe it is either out of cowardice or ignorance.
I may listen to a citizen of Iraq on the issue, but that is about it. I discount other foreign opinions out of hand, and there is nothing anyone can say to change that. If I read the document the "filthy unconformists" (your words) wrote called the Constitution correctly I am free to do that.
I believe the founding fathers had lived in the country for some time and quite a few had fought for this county's freedom. That gave them a seat at the table in my book.
As for them being filthy and non-conformist, I was not there, so I cannot speak of their hygiene, however I do not feel they were non-conformist. They believed strongly in self-determination - free to conform or not.
Foreigner's opinions on our country's affairs means nothing to me. The war in Iraq is our countries affair. Other countries have had opportunity to inject themselves into the situation and have chosen not to. I believe it is either out of cowardice or ignorance.
I may listen to a citizen of Iraq on the issue, but that is about it. I discount other foreign opinions out of hand, and there is nothing anyone can say to change that. If I read the document the "filthy unconformists" (your words) wrote called the Constitution correctly I am free to do that.
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