Delta Uniform Opinion

[Truckdriver]

Heyas,

I'd just wear what you want. It's going to be such a cluster for the first couple of years, no one is going have time to be uniform cops.Nu

Except for some of the ATL M88 check airmen. I like how they always say, "I don't care, but someone might tell you those shoes are not in compliance with the uniform policy."

 

[dalad]

For those of those of you who are worried about the uniform police- just try to conform close to what the FOM says. I had an F/O show up for work about a year ago in cowboy boots and a guitar strapped to his back. He flew just about as good- he thought that a vertical speed descent at 1000 fpm would work when the descent page kept on climbing as to what was required. he was basically worthless-I thought he must have been a company plant to see if I would do anything.

 

[DAL737FO]

Heyas,

I'd just wear what you want. It's going to be such a cluster for the first couple of years, no one is going have time to be uniform cops.

Anyone so wrapped up in themselves to be a self appointed tool, especially before SOC will no doubt have the legitamacy of their birth called into question.

Nu

Boy I wish you were right but you'll find out the hard way. It's sad but true.

 

[Jet Wash]

I would recommend Abbotts. Uniforms are excellent quality and they do a great job of tailoring the pants, shirts, and jacket.

 

[FBN0223]

After the merger, I'd like to see some ATL check-airman wannabe type come over to Narita and play uniform cop. Good luck with that one!!!

 

[Varkdriver]

If you have access to the Navy Exchange you'll find a range of prices starting at 220 for the jacket. Pants that match can often be found on sale for 40 dollars. The Navy has a more expensive premium brand made by Brooks Brothers, I believe.

 

[tblosser]

After the merger, I'd like to see some ATL check-airman wannabe type come over to Narita and play uniform cop. Good luck with that one!!!

Unless I miss my guess that is exactly what will happen. I have a feeling that they will want to make a point. Although it will not be a LCA it will be an Assistant Chief Pilot. After the first several guys get an unpaid vacation for not wearing the uniform properly I bet the problem goes away. Do you really think we like wearing our hats? I hope I am wrong. I would love to see our uniform policy change to match yours…but I am not hopefully. The funniest thing is the guys that enforce the policy rarely wear the damn thing.

 

[ASA_DFW]

Delta has the APU Sheriff program. Usually a retired Delta guys that walks around the ramp to make sure your APU is not running until 5 min prior to departure (policy is different in the summer). These guys wear vests and hats that say APU SHERIFF. It is hilarious.

I guarantee they will have Uniform Police program. Retired guys will jump at the chance to tell guys how to look the Delta part. Especially a free trip to NRT.

I don't know why guys get all bent out of shape about the uniform policy. If you were asked in your new-hire interview to wear the hat, laced shoes, clean shirt, no Docker pants etc, etc you would have said "YES SIR."

Be happy you have a uniform policy. You could work in corporate world and have to wear a different suit each day.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Buy the correct uniform.

Wear it correctly.

Worry about bigger issues.

 

[jetjockey#1]

I don't mind the uniform, but the hat needs to go. It also sucks that the NWA pilots are only getting $400 to buy an $800 uniform.

Whatever the NWA guys get is a heck a lot more than we got when we were hired at DELTA, 0$. I guess all of us, DAL pilots, should put a claim to payroll, to make sure we are treated the same as our "counterparts". But again, that is not how it works, those poor guys are getting so screw, and they are taking such a hit, medical and all, and of course the payraise really is no all that.....

 

[RedRum]

Whatever the NWA guys get is a heck a lot more than we got when we were hired at DELTA, 0$. I guess all of us, DAL pilots, should put a claim to payroll, to make sure we are treated the same as our "counterparts". But again, that is not how it works, those poor guys are getting so screw, and they are taking such a hit, medical and all, and of course the payraise really is no all that.....

Jetjockey,

Why are you taking it so personally that you guys were able to raise the bar for us. Are you the type of guy that revels in other people's misery?

By far, I would say the general consensus is that NWA pilots understand the uniform change and will do whatever the rules state. If a 747 guy in NRT wants to buck the system, let them at it. I would love to see a DAL guy (retired or not) put them on an unpaid vacation. A little dose of reality for them would be good.

I am grateful for the $400 uniform allowance. I will wear it properly because that is what I am paid to do. Anyone who doesn't isn't being very professional , but then again I guess it just doesn't matter to a lot of people these days.

 

[NuGuy]

Whatever the NWA guys get is a heck a lot more than we got when we were hired at DELTA, 0$. I guess all of us, DAL pilots, should put a claim to payroll, to make sure we are treated the same as our "counterparts". But again, that is not how it works, those poor guys are getting so screw, and they are taking such a hit, medical and all, and of course the payraise really is no all that.....

LOL....maybe all the NWA guys should submit a claim for $350 for our jackets that were made useless. It sucks enough going back to the flasher coat, but having to pay for it adds insult to injury.

FBM is right... Any retired do-gooder is going to get laughed right off the airport at any NWA hub...


Nu

 

[Occam's Razor]

Whatever the NWA guys get is a heck a lot more than we got when we were hired at DELTA, 0$.

Don't post drunk!

We get $400 because we had "change of uniform" language in our contract (Section 26). We got $0 for our NWA uniforms...just like you got $0 for your Delta uniform. Since we are being made to change the uniform we bought (with $0 compensation), we're getting reimbursed for a portion of it.

But again, that is not how it works, those poor guys are getting so screw, and they are taking such a hit, medical and all, and of course the payraise really is no all that.....

Will I get in trouble at Delta if I speak and write in complete, coherent sentences?

 

[tblosser]

FBM is right... Any retired do-gooder is going to get laughed right off the airport at any NWA hub...
Nu

I wonder if they will be laughing at the unemployment office? The 4th floor (delta speak for flight ops management) takes the uniform seriously and I would not put it past them to make examples out of a few guys to prove a point. Occam is right wear the uniform properly while fighting battles that really matter.

 

[tblosser]

Will I get in trouble at Delta if I speak and write in complete, coherent sentences?

I know of at least one delta captain who got called into the VP of Flight Ops office for doing just that. It seems that Mr. Bastian did not appreciate the criticism of his performance.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Then jetjockey#1 is safe...

 

[andyd]

Delta has the APU Sheriff program. Usually a retired Delta guys that walks around the ramp to make sure your APU is not running until 5 min prior to departure (policy is different in the summer). These guys wear vests and hats that say APU SHERIFF. It is hilarious

Maybe hilarious but it's saved us over 34 million at last count. We might not break a profit for 08' but my guess is in 09' 12,000 of us will be laughing all the way to the bank with our bonus $$, of which some will come from APU savings.

 

[ASA_DFW]

The APU Sheriff program is a good thing. It does save the company money. What is funny about it is the hat with a badge on it that says APU Sheriff.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The APU Sheriff program is a good thing. It does save the company money. What is funny about it is the hat with a badge on it that says APU Sheriff.

And what, exactly, does the Sheriff do if he catches you red-handed with that APU running, say, 8 minutes before departure? Is it off to the pokey with you or does he just issue a citation??

How big of a loser does one have to be to spend his golden years prowling the flight line for "violaters" rather than enjoying his retirement??

 

[Noserider76]

And what, exactly, does the Sheriff do if he catches you red-handed with that APU running, say, 8 minutes before departure? Is it off to the pokey with you or does he just issue a citation??

How big of a loser does one have to be to spend his golden years prowling the flight line for "violaters" rather than enjoying his retirement??

It's ugly. Left it on after arrival, heard some sirens, saw flashing lights and the next thing I knew I was sitting in a special "shame circle" painted on the ramp wearing my hat backwards for 15 minutes.

I think they just look for airplanes with APUs running and no crew around, hook up power and air if need be and shut off the APU.