Delta to recall 65 more

[General Lee]

When did Delta get the 765?

Will the recalled pilots be able to hold it?

What is a 765?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

The 765 is the INTL category for the 767-400. It is very senior and pays about $12 more an hour than the 757/767. I doubt recalled guys could hold that. Recent recalled pilots have held the 757/767 in LA though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

The 765 is the INTL category for the 767-400.

to tag on to what GL said, when we bought the 767-400, we had the 767-400 base in ATL, which flew only domestic, and was called the 764 category.

We also had a 767-400 base in LAX which flew to Hawaii (which contractually is international flying since you cross the ocean). To differentiate the international category from the domestic, it was called the 765 in LAX.

Now....both bases fly international on the 767-400. And why they don't just call the category the 764 since both fly international is beyond me.

 

[aa73]

Congrats on the recalls, DL guys and gals. Nice to see movement. This brother from across the fence is more than a little envious.

This will make AA the only major/legacy that hasn't recalled yet, and with the most by far on furlough. What a crock.

Hope you guys get it turned around over there.

73

 

[BoilerUP]

Who you ask?? Every pimply faced 21 year old RJ pilot with about 1500 hours of turbine SIC making 18K a year thinking a "big jet" with a sweet autopilot is the pinnacle of aviation. That's who my friend - they'll be lining up in droves.

Thanks for the scientific evaluation...uke:

Look at it from a risk. vs. reward perspective. If you are under the age of about 28 (especially if single) and make a gamble to to go to Delta/United/US Airways when they start hiring again, the career upside (IMO) outweighs the downside.

But if you'd rather bag on RJ pilots, please continue...

 

[800Dog]

The 765 is the INTL category for the 767-400. It is very senior and pays about $12 more an hour than the 757/767. I doubt recalled guys could hold that. Recent recalled pilots have held the 757/767 in LA though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The most jr. FO on the 765 LAX was hired in Nov. 1999 and is about 1,000 numbers from the bottom of the list. He sleeps on an air matress at his Mothers and owes me a beer.

 

[Pat Fabin]

I don't get how people are so hung-up on upgrades and what-not...as if being an FO at a major is horrible. Our reserve system is pretty darn easy and as a 7th-year 737-800 FO I make around $100k and fly some really nice trips...so I just don't see how that is so bad. Our starting pay is $48/hr with decent benefits and a 11% retirement contribution. (9%B + 2% into the 401k) In 3 years you are making more per hour than you could as a mid-seniority regional captain. Yes, there are other carriers out there that pay more, or you could be a captain in 4 years...but things change.

Ask anyone who was at CAL in the early 90s with the 13-15 year upgrade time...that has obviously changed.

Anyway, its not exactly the same as when I was hired in 2000 (2 year 737-200 upgrades....100k in year 2...etc.) but its still a very nice job in this business and I hope we get some sharp, enthusiastic people.

-PF

 

[FlyingSig]

Our reserve system is pretty darn easy

HA! Spoken like a fat-cat 800 driver. When I compare the last 6 months on reserve on the 88 vs. being on reserve on the Be1900 at CoEx.... I'd take the CoEx reserve stint because I think there were at least 2 or 3 days that I didn't fly in that 6 month span.

Although with the exception of the half dozen or so jetway/schedule check you thought you were going home-not inverse assignments I've done this year it hasn't been that bad mainly because we're so short. I've had my pick of commutable trips that I put in for the day before and almost always get what I want because there's nobody to fly all the trips. So it's kinda like having a line, you just don't know what the actual trip is until the day before.

And btw, I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Is it still a 12-hour call-out with a 65-hr guarantee?

 

[michael707767]

Is it still a 12-hour call-out with a 65-hr guarantee?

12 hour call out unless you are placed on short call. 70 hour guarantee.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I don't get how people are so hung-up on upgrades and what-not...as if being an FO at a major is horrible. Our reserve system is pretty darn easy and as a 7th-year 737-800 FO I make around $100k and fly some really nice trips...so I just don't see how that is so bad.

I suppose it's a good thing that you aren't "hung up" about being an FO, or really concerned about upgrading at Delta, because you're going to be stuck in that right seat for a long time. Where do you think all of those 45-50 year old dead zoner Captains hired in 1988 are going? Answer: nowhere.

Our reserve system is "pretty darn easy???" Life must be different on the 800. When I was on the 88 in ATL and SLC, we were used for every one of those 18 days a month.....I mean we were rode hard, and put away wet. If you weren't flying, you were on short call....and you would definitely get the call. No more sitting at home on long call (if you're a commuter), and relaxing like in the old days. Think your going to load up your schedule early by yellow slipping for all those 4 day/24 hr trips?....think again. With all the green slipping whores out there, there's nothing left in open time. The only trips you get are left over scraps, or sick outs.....you know the really good trips, like the 2 day/6 hour ones. I think I broke 70 hours one time while on reserve from Dec 04 to May 06 (the month I quit Delta).

You mentioned that you were a year 7 FO on the 800....last time I checked, that pays what....$96 an hour? A reserve guy getting his 70 hour reserve guarantee comes to about $80K a year gross, not counting per diem. Pretty humble in my opinion for a guy with your experience on that particular equipment.

I guess the whole point of my post is to counter the rosy picture you painted of life at Mother Delta. Hopefully, if there are any furloughees reading this, they'll understand that life at the widget factory is in no way, shape, or form similar to what you left in 2001 or 2002. Approach with caution.