Delta to put 100 Rj's to the desert

[Superpilot92]

It's not speculating to say Delta is ridding 100 RJ's this fall. It has been said by top management. Everyone wants to think their company will be immune from the pain.....

the above is 100% accurate

 

[79%N1]

But Superpilot.....you don't have to be so happy about it! You, much like GL seem to show glee at the mere mention of the misfortune of Regionals.
Pilots are losing their livlihoods, others will be taking a hugh loss of income (myself included). It almost seems like you guys root for it.

 

[Speedtape]

So, Speedtape....

It seems to me like you are further proving potential pain for ASA. Replacing ASA aircraft with narrowbodies from Delta and/or NWA, which reduces the need for ASA flying! Not to mention that if MEM closes, the merged carrier will have a further glut of RJ's Pinnacle flies out of MEM. What is to stop them from using Pinnacle if there are increased opportunites in ATL.

Also, I must disagree that any more traffic can be pushed to ATL. ATL is running at max capacity, and Delta cannot stuff any more in there.

But, to disagree with my assertion that ASA has some hard times ahead.....and then state that you believe there will be smaller airframes replaced by larger ones is quite a contradiction! Are you saying you believe it will be ASA supplying these larger aircraft?

It may seem like a contradiction based on what was stated and what is known today. However, there is more to the story. ASA will have some future opportunities that have not been announced yet. Those opportunities will be in another hub. Stay tuned.

However, given comments by the CEO's in the early announcements, there is no regional that will not have risk if they do not play ball. But for that matter, mainline will have a few surprises as soon as the honeymoon is over, shortly after the merger.

 

[Speedtape]

What about this (complete unedited) quote:

"Rising fuel prices have particularly impacted the economics of our regional
fleet, and we are working with our partners in the regional carriers to
rationalize our capacity offering. EAS contracts will be modified as they
come up for renewal to include the current economics, and it will be the
choice of the government to decide if the service is worth the costs."

Essential Air Service contracts go through this bidding process every few years or anytime in the past when there have been sustained fuel price increases. It's the only way to adjust for inflation. Most of the time, no one else bids, and the incumbent carrier gets the new contract and the increased subsidy. Even if there is a competing bid, the carrier offering that bid has to pass a financial and safety of operation fitness test. This means that the lowest bid does not necessarily win the bid.

This process is very common in the EAS arena. However, bottom line is if the current subsidy and the meager traffic in those markets cannot surpass the break-even point with a small return, then it makes no sense to operate in those markets. Nothing is lost.

 

[DoinTime]

It's not speculating to say Delta is ridding 100 RJ's this fall. It has been said by top management. Everyone wants to think their company will be immune from the pain.....

If the comment on RJ reductions was typical management speak then that number includes airframes they have already taken down or plan to take down.

Mesa (If they still think they can get out of that) = 36.

Express jet = 22

Skywest = ??? (didn't they pull some delta 50 seat RJs out for Air Midwest?)

Comair = 7+?? (I thought there were more than this due to replacements from the -900s coming on)

The "equivalent" statement is no doubt a reduction in productivity from contract carriers that they are unable to actually pull aircraft from.

Delta looks to already be close to their goal of RJ fleet reductions.

 

[Speedtape]

If the comment on RJ reductions was typical management speak then that number includes airframes they have already taken down or plan to take down.

Mesa (If they still think they can get out of that) = 36.

Express jet = 22

Skywest = ??? (didn't they pull some delta 50 seat RJs out for Air Midwest?)

Comair = 7+?? (I thought there were more than this due to replacements from the -900s coming on)

The "equivalent" statement is no doubt a reduction in productivity from contract carriers that they are unable to actually pull aircraft from.

Delta looks to already be close to their goal of RJ fleet reductions.

You hit the nail on the head!

 

[Flyer1015]

They just reaffirmed on the deal with them.

Yes, that post I made (that you quoted) was made just moments before that annoucement came out that Delta is keeping the Pinnacle flying.

 

[MJ42]

Essential Air Service contracts go through this bidding process every few years or anytime in the past when there have been sustained fuel price increases. It's the only way to adjust for inflation. Most of the time, no one else bids, and the incumbent carrier gets the new contract and the increased subsidy. Even if there is a competing bid, the carrier offering that bid has to pass a financial and safety of operation fitness test. This means that the lowest bid does not necessarily win the bid.

This process is very common in the EAS arena. However, bottom line is if the current subsidy and the meager traffic in those markets cannot surpass the break-even point with a small return, then it makes no sense to operate in those markets. Nothing is lost.EXCEPT FLYING! And...service to that community.

Thanks for the explanation, after flying 2 years of EAS service (several years ago) I wasn't sure how it worked . My point was, this quote from DAL is another example of where some cutbacks may happen if eas cities don't pay more money for service.

 

[MJ42]

You hit the nail on the head!

I also agree, doin time's post is most likely accurate.

 

[MJ42]

But Superpilot.....you don't have to be so happy about it! You, much like GL seem to show glee at the mere mention of the misfortune of Regionals.
Pilots are losing their livlihoods, others will be taking a hugh loss of income (myself included). It almost seems like you guys root for it.

Come on now 79%, I don't think I've ever seen superpilot show happiness at others misfortune. He is one of the most diplomatic(sometimes too diplomatic) posters on FI. He worked his way up the regional ranks and knows how it works. NOBODY wants to see pilots (regional or major) lose their job. However, during times like this, it's inevitable for the unlucky ones.

 

[79%N1]

Come on now 79%, I don't think I've ever seen superpilot show happiness at others misfortune. He is one of the most diplomatic(sometimes too diplomatic) posters on FI. He worked his way up the regional ranks and knows how it works. NOBODY wants to see pilots (regional or major) lose their job. However, during times like this, it's inevitable for the unlucky ones.

My apologies to him if that is indeed true. It's just that for a Major's guy he sure spends a lot of time on the Regional board pointing out the woes and wrongs of the Regionals and 'those darn RJ's'.

Now..........about that PCL_128

 

[MJ42]

My apologies to him if that is indeed true. It's just that for a Major's guy he sure spends a lot of time on the Regional board pointing out the woes and wrongs of the Regionals and 'those darn RJ's'.

Now..........about that PCL_128

Well, so do I. We both have numerous friends at regionals. Keeping up on what is happening at the regionals is smart, it directly effects some mainline as well as regional flying.

I post to correct bad assumptions(like oh please) with public facts given to us by DAL management or our MEC's. Opinions are fine, but when they are completely inaccurate(and stupid) then corrections are warranted.

As for PCL...it's been nice without him. Hope during his time off he found someone to give him opinions, everyone knows he certainly has none of his own!

 

[CFI2766]

[ However, there is more to the story. ASA will have some future opportunities that have not been announced yet. Those opportunities will be in another hub. Stay tuned.



This is a pleasant thought... I like optimistic thoughts.

What paramaters have been agreed upon amongst 'those in the know' for it to make sense for ASA to open a new base? Expected/hopefully guaranteed duration? Volume of flights? Inability of SKYW to accomplish the flying?

 

[CFI2766]

But Superpilot.....you don't have to be so happy about it! You, much like GL seem to show glee at the mere mention of the misfortune of Regionals.
Pilots are losing their livlihoods, others will be taking a hugh loss of income (myself included). It almost seems like you guys root for it.

I don't really get this feeling from Superpilot, but I've definately heard enough from the Majors side of the forum to make me think they would delight in the destruction of all RJs, pilot's careers be d@mned.

 

[Superpilot92]

LMAO :laugh: you guys are arguing about my stance on regional jets just because i wrote that he "was 100% accurate" on his post?

Where in that statement does it show "excitement" in one direction or the other?

I have had the same stance on "RJ's" as i have always had even when i was at my old regional. All jets should have been at mainline in the first place and we shouldnt even be having this conversation.