Delta to Drop CHQ?

[General Lee]

Not true Tim. Negotiations haven't even touched compensation yet. However, mismanagement has expressed a desire for what you state, thanks to CMR and others. Jerry has even joined in and stated we would get no more 70s because our 70 rates are the highest (not). So, we'll at least keep what we have, and the other division of Skywest Inc can have the 70s!

ASA and Skywest both are making money, hence no need for a pay reduction. lol We'll see......

Hoser

Comair is still owned by Delta and in Chap 11 itself, but the single pay rate deal can traced back to SkyWest. jerry wants you to play the same game, and won't give you anymore growth until you do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rogue5]

Your inhouse "union" is a joke, with people appointed by management. That doesn't sound good. I hope someday you get a raise on the larger aircraft and get a real union (Teamsters or ALPA) that will fight for you without being appointed by management.

General, I love how you think you know how everything works everywhere and just run with those thoughts as facts. Regardless of whether or not I agree with you about the utility of SAPA, its reps are NOT appointed by management, they nominate themselves and then run in an election voted on by rank and file line pilots. There is an election going on right now for the ORD/COS/DEN rep.But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant, you never have in the past...

 

[Mercyful Fate]

The bottom line is this:

General hates Skywest because Skywest is making money, and he blames decisions by his company on Skywest. I am gonna puke if I have to read again the boobing about the fuel cost issues and Ron Reber. Who holds the cards when going over contracts? Do you think its Ron? Hell no its, not. So, give it a freakin rest on the fuel issue.

General you should be glad you have Skywest as a partner right now, because otherwise your situation in the good ol south would be further in the toilet than it already is.

 

[sweptback]

Comair is still owned by Delta and in Chap 11 itself, but the single pay rate deal can traced back to SkyWest. jerry wants you to play the same game, and won't give you anymore growth until you do.

I find that doubtful. Jerry already said that the 705s/900s/whatever with first class are coming to ATL because they will make more money here. Do you think he'll open up an ATL base for SkyWest just so they can save a few bucks? I don't.

Remember that as part of the purchase agreement, ASA must operate a certain percentage of flights in and out of ATL (80% I believe). With CMR and CHQ flying out of ATL, I doubt there's much more room left.

 

[PGTB]

Rumor has it CHQ has been given its notice.

 

[SYX328]

No notice has been goven to us. We are actually more well liked in MCO/CVG/ATL than ASA and Comair. The agents would rather work our flights than their own. Maybe it could be because we don't have the attitudes that the other 2 do. We have actually been given an increase in flights from CVG and ATL and we are proud to do those flights.


Just my 2 cents.

 

[Smacktard]

No notice has been goven to us. We are actually more well liked in MCO/CVG/ATL than ASA and Comair. The agents would rather work our flights than their own. Maybe it could be because we don't have the attitudes that the other 2 do. We have actually been given an increase in flights from CVG and ATL and we are proud to do those flights.


Just my 2 cents.

Those gate agents must have some pull down there! They got Delta to give you more flights because they like you!? Good job.

 

[Snapperhead]

"And let it ago about the 1 payrate. Its not as bad as you make it out to be. I have thought about the 1 payrate issue and here is my question, doesnt the majors do it? at NW, I am pretty sure they get paid the same on the A319 and the A320, yet there is a 24 seat difference. On the 757-200 and the 757-300, pay is the same but there is about a 40 seats more on the -300."

Thats comparing apples to oranges. Majors get paid a hell of a lot more than the regionals with much better work rules etc... We at the regionals are almost able to qualify for food stamps (just ask a first year F/O).

Sorry, but your analogy doesn't "fly".

 

[cmrflyer]

No notice has been goven to us. We are actually more well liked in MCO/CVG/ATL than ASA and Comair. The agents would rather work our flights than their own. Maybe it could be because we don't have the attitudes that the other 2 do. We have actually been given an increase in flights from CVG and ATL and we are proud to do those flights.


Just my 2 cents.

I would be proud too.

When MESA takes your flying I bet they will be proud.

Everyone loves you, you are fantastic.

Heres some more flying, retard.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

And let it ago about the 1 payrate. Its not as bad as you make it out to be. I have thought about the 1 payrate issue and here is my question, doesnt the majors do it? at NW, I am pretty sure they get paid the same on the A319 and the A320, yet there is a 24 seat difference. On the 757-200 and the 757-300, pay is the same but there is about a 40 seats more on the -300.

There's a huge difference between averaging existing rates (blended) and just rolling over and agreeing to fly a 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates (bended).

 

[ERJDRVR]

Rumor has it CHQ has been given its notice.

To PGTB, CMRFLYER & BVT, ( I better add FLYINPKER, that jerkoff isbound to end up here 2)

Hopefully you three clowns don't lose any more sleep over us. Don't be surprised if CHQ/RAH ends up doing even more flying real soon. PS, how are those paycuts going this month?


Blackpilot, would you shut the $#%^ up already.

Inconceiveable, are you for real or are you really that much of a tool? (Never mind, I just realized you went to Riddle, that explains it).

 

[Beantown]

Doesn't Mesas ontime/completion stink?

Last month Mesa (Freedom) had a 99.7% completion rate, or #1 of all the DCI carriers. -Bean

 

[StarChecker]

I would be proud too.

When MESA takes your flying I bet they will be proud.

Everyone loves you, you are fantastic.

Heres some more flying, retard.

I have yet to meet an ATL or CVG gate agent/ramper who doesn't HATE...yes HATE Comair crews.

Just reporting what they tell me...they hate you guys.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Your Right!

Not true Tim. Negotiations haven't even touched compensation yet. However, mismanagement has expressed a desire for what you state, thanks to CMR and others. Jerry has even joined in and stated we would get no more 70s because our 70 rates are the highest (not). So, we'll at least keep what we have, and the other division of Skywest Inc can have the 70s!


Mark, I agree. I was only speculating on what may be going on with the SkyWest blended rates and comments the CEO has made.

One thing that does puzzle me is that with the number of SkyWest hubs, the cost structure to maintain those hubs must be astronomical compared to ASA's two hubs. I really cant see how our 70 seat CASM is that much higher than their blended CASM because their 50 seat pay is higher than ours which has to add to the bottom line.

I know Delta wants to increase 70 seat capacity in ATL. I seriously doubt that Jerry can afford to position SkyWest people out there and still say they are cheaper. There would have to be allot more 70 seat flights between SLC and ATL to get those aircraft out there for the trips and I don't think Delta would go for that.

 

[bvt1151]

I have yet to meet an ATL or CVG gate agent/ramper who doesn't HATE...yes HATE Comair crews.

Just reporting what they tell me...they hate you guys.

You are correct for Atlanta, but not for CVG. CVG agents love CHQ flights because it means they get to be over at concourse A where nobody watches them. Its the senior position for ramp agents and has nothing to do with which airline flies in. They love ASA and Comair flights over there too. Orlando gate agents can't stand handling CHQ flights. RDU agents don't give a crap either way. Take your pick.

In Atlanta, the ramp agents hate Comair because the Comair pilots constantly write up when the rampies are lounging around the tug when we're waiting to be marshalled. Comair opened a can when they went in to Atlanta and we had Ops managers down their every week complaining to ASA how pi$$ poor their rampies were doing. It resulted in the change in parking schema, and the service did improve, at least until those ramp agents quit. At least now you don't see fuel trucks driving through lines of boarding or deboarding passengers, and one time I even saw a rampie break into a run in order to marshal an airplane in. Of course the other two wing walkers were still rolling a fattie down by baggage, so we waited, but at least I can say I saw one run.

ASA had largely resigned themselves to the fact that their Atlanta ramp was going to suck. I can't blame them. Their management would do about as much to improve the ramp as it did to stimulate labor negotiations...nothing.

 

[PGTB]

Who cares what rampers and gate agents like? What difference is that going to make in anything?

 

[StarChecker]

You are correct for Atlanta, but not for CVG. CVG agents love CHQ flights because it means they get to be over at concourse A where nobody watches them. Its the senior position for ramp agents and has nothing to do with which airline flies in. They love ASA and Comair flights over there too. Orlando gate agents can't stand handling CHQ flights. RDU agents don't give a crap either way. Take your pick.

Ah...I thought there was a story behind it...appreciate the info. God forbid you expect rampers/agents to do their jobs. But I have to say...you haven't seen lazy-a$$ wastes-of-space until you've done Airways flying in PHL.

 

[Wheres the van?]

Jumppilot and Pgtb have more flames than an Air France Concorde.Remember Jumppilot confessed to seeing Mco/Fll base closure memo on our (chq) company website only a couple of weeks ago before evil management yanked it!

We are upgrading 145 drivers at a current rate of 30 a month,doesnt seem like management is aware of the impending decimation of the 145 fleet.

The only positive I can derive from these obvious flames is the fact that jumppilot and pgtb are so green with envy they must invent this bollox in the vain hope there wishfull thinking will come to fruition.

 

[bvt1151]

Ah...I thought there was a story behind it...appreciate the info. God forbid you expect rampers/agents to do their jobs. But I have to say...you haven't seen lazy-a$$ wastes-of-space until you've done Airways flying in PHL.

So I've heard. I think USAir's Christmas fiasco highlighted PHL's ground handling nitemare. At least in Atlanta I can sit in moderately warm weather while complaining about the rampies. I couldn't imagine trying to hit a wheels up time out of Philly.

 

[mcjohn]

Don't those 'rampies' make like minimum wage or something? It's a Wal-Mart world