Delta to Drop CHQ?

[SYX328]

From what I understand is that MESA/Freedom whatever they want to be called, bought their way in. They are the lowest in terms of personality and information. I have unfortunately commuted on them from MCO-SDF and lets 2 hours late with constant MX issues from the start of the day. They are on about as thin a ice that you can get. They are on Double Secret Probation with DL. They may have a 99.1% Completion Factor, but at the sake of really low OT performance.

 

[Avi8tor2000]

I don't know if this one is flame, I mean the writing is on the wall... Mesa is doing exactly the same flights CHQ did out of MCO and FLL. I've heard this was a possibility from a couple of the station managers. Oh well, nature of the beast I guess....

 

[Texx]

Not true Tim. Negotiations haven't even touched compensation yet. However, mismanagement has expressed a desire for what you state, thanks to CMR and others. Jerry has even joined in and stated we would get no more 70s because our 70 rates are the highest (not). So, we'll at least keep what we have, and the other division of Skywest Inc can have the 70s!

ASA and Skywest both are making money, hence no need for a pay reduction. lol We'll see......

Hoser

And we will take all "231" CRJ 50s!

 

[Texx]

There was an ASA pilot long, long ago who was always thought to be padding the times. One day he called the on and in times on short final... then had to go around.

Not only did he lose his job, but the FAA came after him and took all of his certificates. Because he fudged the off and on times, the FAA's position was that he was screwing with the maintenance records.

Alex Burdette use to call the out time before pax even boarded!

 

[Texx]

The bottom line is this: General hates Skywest because Skywest is making money...

General Lee is like Dirty Harry. He doesn't discriminate, he hates everybody.

Get over it.

 

[Texx]

No notice has been goven to us. We are actually more well liked in MCO/CVG/ATL than ASA and Comair. The agents would rather work our flights than their own. Maybe it could be because we don't have the attitudes that the other 2 do. We have actually been given an increase in flights from CVG and ATL and we are proud to do those flights.


Just my 2 cents.

When you were in DFW, you guys were the most hated of all the DCI carriers.

 

[Texx]

To PGTB, CMRFLYER & BVT, ( I better add FLYINPKER, that jerkoff if bound to end up here 2)

Hopefully you three clowns don't lose any more sleep over us. Don't be surprised if CHQ/RAH ends up doing even more flying real soon. PS how are those paycuts going this month?


Blackpilot, would you shut the $#%^ up already. I think you say dumber crap on here than those 3 clowns.

Inconceiveable, are you for real or are you really that much of a tool? (Never mind, I just realized you went to Riddle, that explains it).

And YES! This guy majored in English!

 

[SBD-2U3]

This thread is almost as good as watching 2 two year olds fight over a lolly pop!

 

[Texx]

Not true Tim. Negotiations haven't even touched compensation yet. However, mismanagement has expressed a desire for what you state, thanks to CMR and others. Jerry has even joined in and stated we would get no more 70s because our 70 rates are the highest (not). So, we'll at least keep what we have, and the other division of Skywest Inc can have the 70s!


Mark, I agree. I was only speculating on what may be going on with the SkyWest blended rates and comments the CEO has made.

One thing that does puzzle me is that with the number of SkyWest hubs, the cost structure to maintain those hubs must be astronomical compared to ASA's two hubs. I really cant see how our 70 seat CASM is that much higher than their blended CASM because their 50 seat pay is higher than ours which has to add to the bottom line.

I know Delta wants to increase 70 seat capacity in ATL. I seriously doubt that Jerry can afford to position SkyWest people out there and still say they are cheaper. There would have to be allot more 70 seat flights between SLC and ATL to get those aircraft out there for the trips and I don't think Delta would go for that.

Take our cost and spread it over the same number of 700s Skywest has, 51, and our cost are down where Skywest's are.

 

[Texx]

In Atlanta, the ramp agents hate Comair because the Comair pilots constantly write up when the rampies are lounging around the tug when we're waiting to be marshalled. Comair opened a can when they went in to Atlanta and we had Ops managers down their every week complaining to ASA how pi$$ poor their rampies were doing. It resulted in the change in parking schema, and the service did improve, at least until those ramp agents quit.

ASA had largely resigned themselves to the fact that their Atlanta ramp was going to suck. I can't blame them. Their management would do about as much to improve the ramp as it did to stimulate labor negotiations...nothing.

Hey JR. If you haven't figured it out yet, at that time the management was all the same. DAL!

 

[Texx]

From what I understand is that MESA/Freedom whatever they want to be called, bought their way in.

You are correct. JO is paying DAL to fly for DAL.

 

[wheelsup]

From what I understand is that MESA/Freedom whatever they want to be called, bought their way in.

Everyone's doing that now! Skywest bought ASA and got a reaffirmed contract, AWAC "invested" in USAir and got a 10 year contract, etc. etc.

I'd bet mesa isn't the only one to do this. Didn't they prop up America West back in the day as well?

 

[Plug]

You are correct for Atlanta, but not for CVG. CVG agents love CHQ flights because it means they get to be over at concourse A where nobody watches them. Its the senior position for ramp agents and has nothing to do with which airline flies in. They love ASA and Comair flights over there too. Orlando gate agents can't stand handling CHQ flights. RDU agents don't give a crap either way. Take your pick.

In Atlanta, the ramp agents hate Comair because the Comair pilots constantly write up when the rampies are lounging around the tug when we're waiting to be marshalled. Comair opened a can when they went in to Atlanta and we had Ops managers down their every week complaining to ASA how pi$$ poor their rampies were doing. It resulted in the change in parking schema, and the service did improve, at least until those ramp agents quit. At least now you don't see fuel trucks driving through lines of boarding or deboarding passengers, and one time I even saw a rampie break into a run in order to marshal an airplane in. Of course the other two wing walkers were still rolling a fattie down by baggage, so we waited, but at least I can say I saw one run.

ASA had largely resigned themselves to the fact that their Atlanta ramp was going to suck. I can't blame them. Their management would do about as much to improve the ramp as it did to stimulate labor negotiations...nothing.

Yeah CMR had a say in things in ATL but you give CMR waaaaaaay too much credit. ASA had pressure to perform and made changes in the parking scheme, etc. It took a lot of ASA crews complaining about it. Also, Skywest buying us had a little impact.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee is like Dirty Harry. He doesn't discriminate, he hates everybody.

Get over it.

I don't hate everyone, I just am direct and to the point with my opinions. I think we at DL have a lot wrong too, and I have stated such. And, these are just my opinions, so try to remember that. The SkyWest pilot group has it's head up it's a$$. What's with their "union" and why does management appoint the leaders? Is that wrong or what? Ridiculous. And they started the whole "we'll fly anything for one pay rate" deal and now others have been FORCED to follow (via a judge).


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PGTB]

If/when this happens I wonder where Chatauqua will put there jets? Doesnt their CEO want to get rid of them anyways?

 

[Rogue5]

What's with their "union" and why does management appoint the leaders? Is that wrong or what? Ridiculous.

General, are you illiterate? Re-read my previous post above where I explain that this statement is incorrect. How do you go from asking earlier in this thread how SAPA reps are chosen, then make a statement that they are appointed by management, and then continue to propagate this claim even after I have already explained this is not the case?

A little lacking in intellectual integrity, I think (but then I guess being "direct and to the point" has always been more important to you than being correct).

 

[Old Jballer]

I think you are all wrong. CHQ and Mesa are getting more CRJ 50/70/90 seaters. Comair will start to fade away. Just a guess will see in a couple of months.

 

[Cloudroller]

So its a bad thing if Mesa is paying DAL for flying? What the difference between Air Wisky paying into US Air? Some how i don't think Mesa would not be flying for Delta if they were not moved out of PHL and maybe CLT by Air Wisky, But then Air Wisky would still be in DEN if Skywest did not bump them out.

 

[General Lee]

General, are you illiterate? Re-read my previous post above where I explain that this statement is incorrect. How do you go from asking earlier in this thread how SAPA reps are chosen, then make a statement that they are appointed by management, and then continue to propagate this claim even after I have already explained this is not the case?

A little lacking in intellectual integrity, I think (but then I guess being "direct and to the point" has always been more important to you than being correct).

Ok, I got it, they are NOT appointed by management. But, I do have a question for you. Who pays your "union" leaders? Management? ALPA pays our MEC people when they miss trips. Just curious. Can you explain to me how it works? How much credit time do those guys get anyway? Sounds like a good job. Duane Wuerth at ALPA makes some serious coin, but I am paying for that, along with every other ALPA member. How does your union work?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SlapShot]

I am not trying to start rumors but I am just wondering what are the chances of DAL management asking RAH to pull down 50 seaters in exchange for more 170s?

I spoke to some Comair management guy in DTW and he mentioned how the passenger response to the 170 is well above what they expected even on the 3 hour flights we have been operating them on.