Delta Shoves ASA Aside

[acarpe3448]

If our pilot group keeps up this pissing and moaning and doesn't take action out on the line, we won't have any "defined routes" even if we are released someday! We have enormous leverage right now, but it looks like that will soon change!!!

I keep hearing about open time pick ups, vacation dropping, broken airplanes leaving out stations, etc, etc, etc.

I just hope I'm outta here before this ship sinks! ...p_ssies!!!!!!!

ENORMOUS LEVERAGE!


You have no leverage right now! Delta is getting as many DCI carriers in the hub so no single carrier can effect operations that much!

 

[acarpe3448]

No, I'll tell you what is weak. All these whiney a$$ crybabies around here that want all these changes around here and just want, want, want,when there just looking to bolt from here as soon as they can!
If your looking to move on asap, than just do your time and quit whining about every dam thing!

This coming from a man/woman who will soon vote for a paycut so that he can get more/bigger airframes at his airline!

 

[TOOL CRIB]

dont u mean star trek?

i hate star trek!

btw, when is the "new" callsign gonna take place for shuttle? something cool i bet

Yeah Star Trek. One of those!

 

[bailout]

WRONG - Republic operates US AIR 170's from PHL to ATL.

WRONG.. well sort of, they also do DCA to ATL and a few others..

 

[FmrFreightDog]

My main question in all of this is why are all of our ground support personnel (many of who really do work hard) put out to pasture while the executives (namely BL) who allowed the ramp situation to get as bad as it is, are allowed to keep their jobs?

Run-on sentence aside, this is like firing the guy who was steering the Titanic when it hit the iceberg and promoting the Captain. When will the people who are truly responsible for the disaster that is ATL ASA operations be held accountable????

 

[Stick Man]

WRONG.. well sort of, they also do DCA to ATL and a few others..

oooo, i guess that explains the dca, ind and pit bases

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

This coming from a man/woman who will soon vote for a paycut so that he can get more/bigger airframes at his airline!

Wrong again my friend!

 

[ASApuppy]

My main question in all of this is why are all of our ground support personnel (many of who really do work hard) put out to pasture while the executives (namely BL) who allowed the ramp situation to get as bad as it is, are allowed to keep their jobs?

Run-on sentence aside, this is like firing the guy who was steering the Titanic when it hit the iceberg and promoting the Captain. When will the people who are truly responsible for the disaster that is ATL ASA operations be held accountable????

Well, I'll tell ya. I think the ramp in ATL fell into thirds. One third carried the place, one third held their own, and one third is a boat anchor. Problem is, you can't sack one third with out a racial segregation lawsuit that will cost you a billion $ to defend. No lawsuits when you sack all of them. Delta will hire the cream, the rest will need to brush up on "Nessst guuuest in Liiiine" for a coveted spot at Wendy's.

In the end, you can put a check mark in the union column for those that debate the merits of having one.

 

[jrcpilot]

yeah, but isn't there something about ASA having to do 80% of the flying for Delta out of ATL? Or is that bunk? My buddy told me this, so I dunno.

That's the problem. We do our jobs well. People know we fly the CRJ for cheap and understaffed. I personally wouldn't mind if we flew for DAL, but not at the expense of ASA pilots. Freedom/Mesa pilots I could care less, but not ASA. I know it's the nature of the beast, but if my friends lose hours/jobs because of this, I'm not sure i could do this job anymore.

Some people just don't get it. You can't bash a pilot group for something they have absolutely no control over. Every pilot at every airline wants growth and career progression and better pay. No pilot group out there has the power to decided whether they take someone elses flying or not. That's business. The only thing we can do as pilots is to start unifying our goals across company lines so when negotiation time comes we can start getting back everything that has been lost and take away a competitive advantage that managements keep using against us. It's sad to see pilots bashing each other on here for $hit they have no control over.

 

[CrownandCoke]

Some people just don't get it. You can't bash a pilot group for something they have absolutely no control over. Every pilot at every airline wants growth and career progression and better pay. No pilot group out there has the power to decided whether they take someone elses flying or not. That's business. The only thing we can do as pilots is to start unifying our goals across company lines so when negotiation time comes we can start getting back everything that has been lost and take away a competitive advantage that managements keep using against us. It's sad to see pilots bashing each other on here for $hit they have no control over.

exactly. You know, when some of your closest friends are pilots though, it starts to get a little personal. Not that I have any control over it, but it still is a little bit personal. And it's the pilot bashing that keeps us from being unified. I mean, don't even get me started on Mesa/Freedom/GoJet who are deliberately destroying our industry. But when CMR bashes ASA and vice versa, and Mesaba bashes Pinnacle and vice versa, it gets us nowhere. Basically I'm just putting it out there that I don't like the idea of taking ASA's flying. And I'm rooting for you kids in Atlanta.

 

[jrcpilot]

exactly. You know, when some of your closest friends are pilots though, it starts to get a little personal. Not that I have any control over it, but it still is a little bit personal. And it's the pilot bashing that keeps us from being unified. I mean, don't even get me started on Mesa/Freedom/GoJet who are deliberately destroying our industry. But when CMR bashes ASA and vice versa, and Mesaba bashes Pinnacle and vice versa, it gets us nowhere. Basically I'm just putting it out there that I don't like the idea of taking ASA's flying. And I'm rooting for you kids in Atlanta.

I know its frustrating for me too. If we could collectively support one another as ALPA pilots and not pit one another against each other we would go places. I think the concern for me, if we even get to this point, is how do we support the pilots who will pay the ultimate price with their jobs because if we ALL hold the line some one is going to strike and a carrier or 2 WILL go under. How do we support those guys without stepping on another pilots toes for an opportunity to move up? I don't know the answer to that question.

 

[frapper]

ENORMOUS LEVERAGE!


You have no leverage right now! Delta is getting as many DCI carriers in the hub so no single carrier can effect operations that much!

Exactly why I said we have the leverage "NOW!" You're telling me that a strike by the ASA pilots today, or in other words, "NOW," wouldn't end Delta? C'mon!

 

[SSDD]

Unlike the ASA MEC, Delta learned something from the Comair strike. They've been talking for years about burning the place down, but have done nothing about it. By the time they decide to do something, it will be a non event. The schedules and the routes will be so integrated that you will not be able to effectively define struck work.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Unlike the ASA MEC, Delta learned something from the Comair strike. They've been talking for years about burning the place down, but have done nothing about it. By the time they decide to do something, it will be a non event. The schedules and the routes will be so integrated that you will not be able to effectively define struck work.

By the time "we" decide to do something?? We've already asked for a release. Not much we can do.

 

[wms]

I predict that ASA will operate less than 50% of the flights in ATL at this time next year. This move to "nationalize" ATL operations is just the first move in breaking our monopoly on ATL.

We will see XJT, Comair, Freedom, Shuttle America, Skywest, ASA, and Pinnacle in ATL.

We need Chuck Norris...and one of those chemtrail RFPs!

 

[B727FA]

I predict that ASA will operate less than 50% of the flights in ATL at this time next year. This move to "nationalize" ATL operations is just the first move in breaking our monopoly on ATL.

We will see XJT, Comair, Freedom, Shuttle America, Skywest, ASA, and Pinnacle in ATL.

I thought I remembered that ASA had an 80% guar of flying out of ATL. I know it was something that assured them X% of flying out of there...anyone clarify? I noticed it was brought up elsewhere...but I'm not sure I saw the answer in a previous post.

Thanks!

 

[Speedtape]

Unlike the ASA MEC, Delta learned something from the Comair strike. They've been talking for years about burning the place down, but have done nothing about it. By the time they decide to do something, it will be a non event. The schedules and the routes will be so integrated that you will not be able to effectively define struck work.

This is not very well written as it is hard to figure who all the "Theys" are and who is doing what. Can you restate the first sentence? I don't have a 737 rating, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express, a time or two.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I thought I remembered that ASA had an 80% guar of flying out of ATL. I know it was something that assured them X% of flying out of there...anyone clarify? I noticed it was brought up elsewhere...but I'm not sure I saw the answer in a previous post.

Thanks!

Delta Connection Agreements with Delta for both SkyWest Airlines and ASA. We also obtained control of 26 gates in the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport located in Atlanta, from which we currently provide service to Delta. Delta has committed to provide to us opportunities to utilize 28 additional regional jets in our fleet by the end of 2007. Delta has also agreed that, starting in 2008, ASA is guaranteed to maintain its percentage of total Delta Connection flights that it has in 2007, so long as its bid for additional regional flying is competitive with other regional carriers.
(SkyWest Annual Report)
Still looking for the 80% figure in a company release. Will have to pick up the search later -got to go work. You can look through SkyWest's annual reports and FAQ's to find it and let us know....

 

[Medeco]

DCI Agreement

As we are seeing, once again, a contract between two parties and the language in it, is worthless if the two parties are willing to revisit/renegotiate the language at a later date.

especially if it helps to bust a union.

Medeco

 

[FDJ2]

so long as its bid for additional regional flying is competitive with other regional carriers.

That says it all.

 

[sweptback]

Delta Connection Agreements with Delta for both SkyWest Airlines and ASA. We also obtained control of 26 gates in the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport located in Atlanta, from which we currently provide service to Delta. Delta has committed to provide to us opportunities to utilize 28 additional regional jets in our fleet by the end of 2007. Delta has also agreed that, starting in 2008, ASA is guaranteed to maintain its percentage of total Delta Connection flights that it has in 2007, so long as its bid for additional regional flying is competitive with other regional carriers.
(SkyWest Annual Report)
Still looking for the 80% figure in a company release. Will have to pick up the search later -got to go work. You can look through SkyWest's annual reports and FAQ's to find it and let us know....

All of those 28 airplanes have been allocated. They all went to SkyWest!