Delta Posts 2nd Qtr Results, Ends Qtr with $5.4 Billion Liquidity

[another cfii]

Those large RJ's are sure adding a lot of ASM's.

Saw one SKW jet sitting next to me in ATL the other day. It was on it way to Bozeman, MT. Who in their right mind would willingly sit in that for four hrs?

Keyword is "Willingly". I'm sure most rj drivers on here have done something similar. Mine includes MSP->TUS, JAX->MSP in a CRJ200. When the pax walk down the jetbridge unknowingly and turns the corner and bam! What an experience. I felt bad for my FA for the 3+ hours of torture.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Those large RJ's are sure adding a lot of ASM's.

Saw one SKW jet sitting next to me in ATL the other day. It was on it way to Bozeman, MT. Who in their right mind would willingly sit in that for four hrs?

Considering Pinnacle is operating 8xx and 9xx series DL flight numbers... the distinction isn't really there.

Besides pax really dont understand the industry anyways. It's all captains, copilots, tarmacs, commuter prop jobs and jumbo jets to them.

 

[Freebrd]

Saw one SKW jet sitting next to me in ATL the other day. It was on it way to Bozeman, MT. Who in their right mind would willingly sit in that for four hrs?

you would if you were still at ASA

 

[ACL65PILOT]

you would if you were still at ASA

No that is just too long in an RJ. Heck a turn to DEN is about as much as I can take on a 757.

 

[N2264J]

Furloughees from Comair likely wouldn't qualify to get hired at DL.... You still seem to be under the idea that getting hired at Comair is the same effort as getting hired at DL?

I didn't see us hiring any 600 TT this last cycle, did you?

So you and ACL65PILOT are saying that Delta has a hiring practice and your pilot group would be reluctant to have the DMEC approach management to change that extra-contractual protocol so furloughees from Comair, Mesaba or any other regional for that matter, could be hired there.

Am I getting that right?

Maybe if I restated the question: Delta pilots have no interest in lobbying management to adjust the hiring protocols that are outside the perview of the contract so low time regional furloughees could be hired there. Isn't that true?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Maybe if I restated the question: Delta pilots have no interest in lobbying management to adjust the hiring protocols that are outside the perview of the contract so low time regional furloughees could be hired there. Isn't that true?

When mainline pilots say "jump"....they expect regional pilots to say "how high"....When that doesn't happen they get pi$$y. Your analogy is dead on....Mainline would never spend capital to change management hiring requirements for furlouged regional pilots...yet they expect us to do that for them.

The double standard is clear to see.....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I would hardly call hiring standards at regionals "stringent," Joe and N2264J. If youre qualified to get hired at major or legacy, you're qualified for a regional. It doesn't exactly work the other way around. The issue with the DL furloughees at OH was only the seniority number. I don't believe the OH mgmt or MEC approached DL to hire their furloughees either, did they?

You guys are career squatters at low end companies. I'm in my 3rd year at DL and I'll equal what you're making in-what is it now, year 15?- Joe.

Why don't you turn the analogy around to AirTran or JetBlue. They have similar hiring qualifications to the legacies. Did they relax their hiring standards for Comair furloughs? Each of those have piles of legacy furloughs that have no intentions of returning to their respective legacies.

 

[NuGuy]

Maybe if I restated the question: Delta pilots have no interest in lobbying management to adjust the hiring protocols that are outside the perview of the contract so low time regional furloughees could be hired there. Isn't that true?

Heyas,

Well, considering that Congress is just about to make low timers unemployable by ANY airline, let alone Delta, I'd think it would just be a waste of negotiating capital.

Congress has made it clear that low timers have no place in the cockpit of 121 ops, no matter the size of the aircraft. Not only that, but the ATP requirement gets rid of the MPL spectre as well.

If it passes, things will be looking up. Maybe the uber children can go back and instruct for a bit...

Nu

 

[PuffDriver]

When mainline pilots say "jump"....they expect regional pilots to say "how high"....When that doesn't happen they get pi$$y. Your analogy is dead on....Mainline would never spend capital to change management hiring requirements for furlouged regional pilots...yet they expect us to do that for them.

The double standard is clear to see.....

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Stretching the facts again. Kind of like telling people that they will be junior to people that they were once senior to when the lists are combined.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I find it funny that you would even think that DAL would lower its requirements, which by the way are very low to begin with, so that we would hire OH pilots while they were out on furlough.
I am sure that as soon as OH started recalling they would leave DAL for their job at OH. Where the heck do you come up with that stuff.

If they meet this mins here at DAL they would be given a shot, contrary to what everyone thinks, they look no differently on an OH pilot. They are just one more qualified candidate.
Also, I am sure that DAL would not ask for your resignation letter from OH or EV. In fact I do not think they even asked for guys resignation letters from airlines like CAL.

 

[N2264J]

I find it funny that you would even think that DAL would lower its requirements...

I'll tell you what's funny - Delta pilots slamming Comair pilots for not doing something they themselves wouldn't do.

That's freakin' hilarious!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I'll tell you what's funny - Delta pilots slamming Comair pilots for not doing something they themselves wouldn't do.

That's freakin' hilarious!

No, what's freakin' halarious is watching your flying dwindle!

Don't worry N, we'll give you guys the same consideration you gave our furloughees in 2001-2002!
Now that's freakin' halarious!:laugh:

BTW poindexter, hope you didn't spend all that lawsuit money, you'll need it really bad soon!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No I do not think that the DAL pilots would make a OH pilot give up his seniority at OH if he were hired at DAL while on furlough. Even though it is an upward movement, if the individual wanted to keep his OH number and go back there when they recalled, I am sure DAL would not make an issue about it. Wonder what the heck the guy was thinking, yes, but it probably would not even come up in conversation.

What I like even better is that you think that what you are comparing is apples against apples.
It took how many years to come up with this one.
What the OH MEC did was make something policy. That is where the issue lies.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

It is truely scary that some of these yahoos at the sub contractors are flying airplanes. To even insinuate that a job at a sub contractor is even in the same league as a career at any major is laughable at best. At worse, it is scary that is how the lifers little pea brain works. They must get to a point that they have seen so many of their peers move on while they keep getting rejection letters and seniority that they convince themselves that the jobs are equal. As far as Delta hiring a laid off 500hr puppy mill FO vs cmr hiring a laid off former/reserve fighter/transport pilot is not even close to apples/apples. More like apples to ligors. One is brand new to not only the industry but to flying, and the other is new to airline flying but a seasoned pilot with some of the most rigorous training/selection out there(I am a civilian/commuter pilot btw. just so this doesn't start a mil/civ bashing)

No I do not think that the DAL pilots would make a OH pilot give up his seniority at OH if he were hired at DAL while on furlough. Even though it is an upward movement, if the individual wanted to keep his OH number and go back there when they recalled, I am sure DAL would not make an issue about it. Wonder what the heck the guy was thinking, yes, but it probably would not even come up in conversation.

What I like even better is that you think that what you are comparing is apples against apples.
It took how many years to come up with this one.
What the OH MEC did was make something policy. That is where the issue lies.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree, when I get to DAL I had 10 years of 121 time, over 6K of 121 PIC time and various other job titles.
Fact was that I was the norm here at DAL. IE, I was as qualified as 70% of my class, and more qualified than 30% of it. There were some younger ones, but most of them had impressive resumes as well.

It is apples to oranges. The only reason DCI exists is due to our Section 1. Plain and simple, good or bad.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I'll tell you what's funny - Delta pilots slamming Comair pilots for not doing something they themselves wouldn't do.

That's freakin' hilarious!

This guy needs a psych eval.