Delta Posts 2nd Qtr Results, Ends Qtr with $5.4 Billion Liquidity

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And yet Moak keeps giving more of out captain jobs away. When will it stop? We need new leadership in ALPA.
You can't change direction without first having a broad consensus that change is needed. Which makes simply changing the leadership at the top nothing more than a panacea. Scope errosion did not start with Lee Moak and LOA 51, it's been going on for years under various MECs.

What we really need to do is to stop sweeping the effects of scope under the rug. Maybe in the early years there wasn't enough information to draw a fair conclusion on the effects outsourcing flying has on mainline jobs. Some MEC Chairman even claimed that outsourcing to RJs actually increased mainline flying and made Delta a more profitable company which could sustain higher wages. However we have much more information available today, much of which refutes those early claims.

During the SLI hearing DALPA was correct to point out that the DC-9 were being replaced by the 76 seaters. From July 2008 to November of the same year DC-9 flying dropped 32% at NWA, while E75 and CR9 flying increased by the same amount. If we looked at the top 75 markets at the time DC-9 flying was reduced by 650 filghts with RJ flying increasing by 750 flights. As Robert Mann testified, "these, are essentially mirror images of each other; " making it quite clear to all that the E75 and CR9 are replacement aircraft for an entire fleet of mainline aircraft. Yet we don't hear this from the MEC today, instead what you will probably hear is the same old tired rationale that there is no way you can prove that those 650 flights wouldn't have disappeared on their own, even without the E75 and CR9. I call BS. BTW DAL N guys, I'm not picking on you, it's just an example, some of us on the southside have already seen it play out here, our 737-200/300 fleet gone, replaced by the 70 seater.


If you want to change scope at DAL, what we really need over the next three years is leadership that is committed to exposing the facts on scope to the membership, not sweep it under the rug so that it doesn't interfere with whatever other agenda they're interested in at the time.
 
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You can't change direction without first having a broad consensus that change is needed. Which makes simply changing the leadership at the top nothing more than a panacea. Scope errosion did not start with Lee Moak and LOA 51, it's been going on for years under various MECs.

What we really need to do is to stop sweeping the effects of scope under the rug. Maybe in the early years there wasn't enough information to draw a fair conclusion on the effects outsourcing flying has on mainline jobs. Some MEC Chairman even claimed that outsourcing to RJs actually increased mainline flying and made Delta a more profitable company which could sustain higher wages. However we have much more information available today, much of which refutes those early claims.

During the SLI hearing DALPA was correct to point out that the DC-9 were being replaced by the 76 seaters. From July 2008 to November of the same year DC-9 flying dropped 32% at NWA, while E75 and CR9 flying increased by the same amount. If we looked at the top 75 markets at the time DC-9 flying was reduced by 650 filghts with RJ flying increasing by 750 flights. As Robert Mann testified, "these, are essentially mirror images of each other; " making it quite clear to all that the E75 and CR9 are replacement aircraft for an entire fleet of mainline aircraft. Yet we don't hear this from the MEC today, instead what you will probably hear is the same old tired rationale that there is no way you can prove that those 650 flights wouldn't have disappeared on their own, even without the E75 and CR9. I call BS. BTW DAL N guys, I'm not picking on you, it's just an example, some of us on the southside have already seen it play out here, our 737-200/300 fleet gone, replaced by the 70 seater.


If you want to change scope at DAL, what we really need over the next three years is leadership that is committed to exposing the facts on scope to the membership, not sweep it under the rug so that it doesn't interfere with whatever other agenda they're interested in at the time.

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Furloughees from Comair likely wouldn't qualify to get hired at DL...I didn't see us hiring any 600 TT this last cycle, did you?
So you and ACL65PILOT are saying that Delta has a hiring practice and your pilot group would be reluctant to have the DMEC approach management to change that extra-contractual protocol so furloughees from Comair, Mesaba or any other regional for that matter, could be hired there.

Am I getting that right?
 
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There are three individuals that I know that got PIC time quicker than they would have if the RJ plague would not have happened. The others (20+) that went to SWA were at EV for many years (8+) prior to going to WN. In fact some where 15+ year guys and one was at EV over 20 years.

Over 20 years? Not quite true!
 

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So you and ACL65PILOT are saying that Delta has a hiring practice and your pilot group would be reluctant to have the DMEC approach management to change that extra-contractual protocol so furloughees from Comair, Mesaba or any other regional for that matter, could be hired there.

Am I getting that right?
I don't think you got that right. Many on this board have been championing bringing all Compass pilots on board.

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I agree. I am squarely on the fence about running. Someone needs to push me in one direction or the other.
We do have a few very impressive candidates that are running. A 777CA as a CA rep, and at least on senior ER FO that has made scope his battle. IMHO good running mates. Question is if we need a junior FO to run as well.
Uh...not familiar with the individuals, but, just hearing that one is a 777a and the other a senior 7er b smells a little. We need people hired in the '98 til now (last wave) time frame running for FO. As for the CA rep we need someone who was effected during the Ron Allen furlough running.

That demographic most likely "gets" scope. That along with a:

1. Stong stand on scope with the goal of taking it back.

2. Restoration of pay. No more managing expectations that this is can't be done by ALPA or the Co. That is BS. This is what it is and what it boils down to..."it's just business." Our business is supporting our families, theirs is running an airline. We should not take away from our families any more so that they can run their business. How much $ in concessions were given per year in BK? When should we see a return on our investment?

3. Retirement

So, ACL consider yourself pushed.

Ed
 

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So you and ACL65PILOT are saying that Delta has a hiring practice and your pilot group would be reluctant to have the DMEC approach management to change that extra-contractual protocol so furloughees from Comair, Mesaba or any other regional for that matter, could be hired there.

Am I getting that right?

I don't think he said anything about the DMEC being reluctant to approach management to offer preferetial interviews for furloughed pilots. The Delta pilots did more than just ask, the Delta pilots negotiated contract language mandating it, which is far more than was ever asked of the CMR MEC.

The RJDC and CMR MEC attempted to use furloughed ALPA pilots as leverage to extract contract concessions from another ALPA pilot group, their actions have rightfully cast them as pariahs in the industry. True scum.
 
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Uh...not familiar with the individuals, but, just hearing that one is a 777a and the other a senior 7er b smells a little. We need people hired in the '98 til now (last wave) time frame running for FO. As for the CA rep we need someone who was effected during the Ron Allen furlough running.

That demographic most likely "gets" scope. That along with a:

1. Stong stand on scope with the goal of taking it back.

2. Restoration of pay. No more managing expectations that this is can't be done by ALPA or the Co. That is BS. This is what it is and what it boils down to..."it's just business." Our business is supporting our families, theirs is running an airline. We should not take away from our families any more so that they can run their business. How much $ in concessions were given per year in BK? When should we see a return on our investment?

3. Retirement

So, ACL consider yourself pushed.

Ed

You made me lean a little more in that direction. When I said push, I meant it ;)
 

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Uh...not familiar with the individuals, but, just hearing that one is a 777a and the other a senior 7er b smells a little. We need people hired in the '98 til now (last wave) time frame running for FO. As for the CA rep we need someone who was effected during the Ron Allen furlough running.

That demographic most likely "gets" scope. That along with a:

1. Stong stand on scope with the goal of taking it back.

2. Restoration of pay. No more managing expectations that this is can't be done by ALPA or the Co. That is BS. This is what it is and what it boils down to..."it's just business." Our business is supporting our families, theirs is running an airline. We should not take away from our families any more so that they can run their business. How much $ in concessions were given per year in BK? When should we see a return on our investment?

3. Retirement

So, ACL consider yourself pushed.

Ed

+1, this is me pushing harder :beer:
 

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I don't think he said anything about the DMEC being reluctant to approach management to offer preferetial interviews for furloughed pilots. The Delta pilots did more than just ask, the Delta pilots negotiated contract language mandating it, which is far more than was ever asked of the CMR MEC.

The RJDC and CMR MEC attempted to use furloughed ALPA pilots as leverage to extract contract concessions from another ALPA pilot group, their actions have rightfully cast them as pariahs in the industry. True scum.

You're wasting your breath, brother.
 

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ACL65PILOT '09 stickers shall be printed in bulk :)
 

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July Traffic

ATLANTA, Aug. 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL - News) today reported traffic results for July 2009. System traffic in July 2009, including both Delta and Northwest operations, decreased 2.5 percent compared to July 2008 on a 3.6 percent decrease in capacity, and load factor increased 1.0 point to 87.7 percent.
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20090202/DELTALOGO )
Domestic traffic decreased 1.6 percent year over year on a 2.6 percent decrease in capacity. Domestic load factor increased 1.0 point to 88.6 percent. International traffic decreased 3.9 percent year over year on a 5.0 percent decrease in capacity, and load factor increased 1.0 point to 86.3 percent.


ASMs (000): 2009 vs 2008
Domestic 13,257,335 13,617,766 (2.6%)
Mainline 10,256,585 10,771,567 (4.8%)
Regional 3,000,750 2,846,199 5.4%

I still don't like this trend, despite what others are saying. Regional traffic is up 5.4% while mainline is down 4.8%!
 

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ASMs (000): 2009 vs 2008
Domestic 13,257,335 13,617,766 (2.6%)
Mainline 10,256,585 10,771,567 (4.8%)
Regional 3,000,750 2,846,199 5.4%

I still don't like this trend, despite what others are saying. Regional traffic is up 5.4% while mainline is down 4.8%!
Glad you pointed that out. Company has no problem quickly reducing mainline capacity while increasing regional capacity during record fuel prices. Makes you wonder.
 

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Those large RJ's are sure adding a lot of ASM's.

Saw one SKW jet sitting next to me in ATL the other day. It was on it way to Bozeman, MT. Who in their right mind would willingly sit in that for four hrs?
 
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