Delta plans to open Saab 340 base at Atlanta hub

[johnpeace]

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ans-to-open-saab-340-base-at-atlanta-hub.html

 

[Newpilot2b]

Thats interesting. Wonder if Messaba will be flying SLC-SUN also down the road?

 

[flyf15]

Gotta put those Saabs somewhere when they close down Memphis...

 

[enuffalready]

I obviously have no access to info to make any decisions, but it seems that the ATR's made money and that since ASA already had a certificate for them, we would trade/sell some 50's, and get more ATR-500's and use them not only in atlanta, but CINCY, MEMPHIS, DETROIT, etc for feed.

 

[LearLove]

nice - no apu turbo props in hotlanta. the city should just permintly base an amublance at the end of D concourse.

 

[GOULET!]

Gotta put those Saabs somewhere when they close down Memphis...

Memphis is going to be the next Pittsburgh. Think your going to see all the NW and Delta regionals operating out of ATL at the same time. The president of Compass is on record saying there is going to be a significant reduction in flying out of Memphis in '09 but it was too early for specifics.

 

[WSurf]

nice - no apu turbo props in hotlanta. the city should just permintly base an amublance at the end of D concourse.

The ATRs didn't have them.

 

[Northern Lights]

So will the Saabs finally receive new paint?

 

[Flybet3]

nice - no apu turbo props in hotlanta. the city should just permintly base an amublance at the end of D concourse.

Yeah it's goona suck. Especially since Memphis is 65 degrees all year round. Oh wait....

 

[OCP]

Delta plans to put jet bridges on D. The saabs going to park there?

 

[siucavflight]

nice - no apu turbo props in hotlanta. the city should just permintly base an amublance at the end of D concourse.

I believe that Eagle has ATR's with no APU's in DFW, MIA, and SJU. Man up.

 

[WSurf]

I believe that Eagle has ATR's with no APU's in DFW, MIA, and SJU. Man up.

I didn't even think the ATR's came with APU's at all. Don't they just have Prop Locks to produce DC power while on the ground? Didn't think the Prop Lock produced Bleed Air while on ground.

 

[centralpilot]

I didn't even think the ATR's came with APU's at all. Don't they just have Prop Locks to produce DC power while on the ground? Didn't think the Prop Lock produced Bleed Air while on ground.

The ATR's hotel mode (prop braked #2 engine) does provide bleed air for the packs.

 

[Lolikoka]

In Theory

The ATR's hotel mode (prop braked #2 engine) does provide bleed air for the packs.

Wel that's the theory anyway. Does anyone actually recall the packs producing cold air?

 

[WSurf]

The ATR's hotel mode (prop braked #2 engine) does provide bleed air for the packs.

Thanks. Does it cool good? Curious because I always saw the Air Cart at the ATR's in HHH.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

anyone surprised by this, really? The post merger company will have more 70 and 76 seat regional jets that are more capable on the longer routes and shorter routes, and a healthy amount of turboprops for short range flights. They don't need ATRs going from Chattanooga to ATL and Saabs to Memphis at the same time.

 

[Tar Heel]

The ATRs didn't have them.

Correct but do have "hotel mode" for the poor man's apu. Run the right engine with prop brake engaged. Better than nothing at all.

 

[centralpilot]

Thanks. Does it cool good? Curious because I always saw the Air Cart at the ATR's in HHH.

It actually does better than our poorly maintained air carts half the time, but it still isn't great. You see air carts because we can't run the right engine while we're being fueled or while loading aft baggage.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Nah, MEM won't close, at least for the regionals...doubtful that folks would burn $3 gas and pay for parking in BHM, ATL, or BNA...but, that said, stranger things have happened...at this rate in 10 years there'll only be one US airline anyway!

 

[scarlet]

CVG and MEM is so GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fowingman]

mem wont close, becasue of fedex

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Wel that's the theory anyway. Does anyone actually recall the packs producing cold air?

I do recall when we flew them out of CVG about 4 years ago they produced cold air. Granted it was also December, but we got cold air out of them.

 

[DoinTime]

mem wont close, becasue of fedex

FedEx would love to see NW/DAL pull out of MEM.

 

[General Lee]

CVG and MEM is so GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, did he just post that? They both IS gone? Pure genius. BTW, CVG has the highest yield of any DL hub. I think it will be around a bit longer, with fewer RJs, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[nimtz]

FedEx would love to see NW/DAL pull out of MEM.

I doubt the FDX commuters would love that...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Boyd says the economics on the Saab aren't very good:

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]Turboprops? Not Really. But, there isn't any relief in sight, even for shorter haul flying. Here's a flash: the costs of the 30-34 seat turboprops that are still flying (and no more are coming) are getting really onerous. From the Airports:USA DataMiner aircraft database, here are the overall all-up costs for a SF-340 on a 200-mile stage length at various fuel prices.[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]We've done the math. Even at $3 a gallon, on a longer 300-mile stage length, the net ASM cost of a SF-340 is just under 30 cents. A 50-seat RJ is approximately 20 cents. When the math is done, the net sector costs of a SF-340 is approximately $3,000. The net sector costs of a 50-seat RJ: you guessed it. $3,000.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]Point: There is no turboprop relief in sight for smaller communities. In fact, it would be a net plus in some cases to shift some of this flying to RJs. If the sector costs are similar, and there's 16 more seats to sell, it doesn't take an MBA from Wharton to figure it out. Countering this is the opportunity cost of applying a $15 million RJ asset into a market where its full operational potential might be better used elsewhere.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]What's certain, however, is that fleets of 50-seat RJs are being reduced, and regardless of cost comparisons, there is limited traffic stimulation potential at many smaller communities.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]Message: innovative marketing and strategic planning will be needed in the future at small and mid-size communities. The old ways of doing a "survey" or a "study" and then inflicting them, along with a community "delegation" on the airline planners, is near-certain to mostly waste time. The goal: identify new, clear value streams the community can develop.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Tahoma, Ariel, Lucida]We've done it for communities across the nation. If you're interested in investigating the future of air service retainment and recruitment, give Mike Mooney at Boyd Group International a call. (303) 674-2000.[/FONT]​

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I don't think these Saabs will be around very long. Just to cover some flying into HHH and such until Delta can get some bigger Tprops up to speed.

 

[DoinTime]

Boyd says the economics on the Saab aren't very good:

Thats why 50-seat jets replaced them in the first place. Small airplanes of any propulsion are dead with the economics of todays airlines. I see most of the remaining small t-props in America be put out to pasture as their leases come up.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

And now you can understand why our contract was extended to the end of 2011... gee when do our Saab leases expire, you guessed it 2011.... anyone care to guess what's going to happen to Mesaba pilots the end of 2011..... Buy your lube of choice now, we all should already know it won't be supplied by the company.

 

[Goose Egg]

Thats interesting. Wonder if Messaba will be flying SLC-SUN also down the road?

You blaspheme.

(On the more serious side, I could see something like this happening if/when SKW completely phases out the Bro. But I'll most likely have my jet transition (and possibly upgrade) by then, so if at that time Mesaba wants to contend with that RNAV approach, they can be my guest. I hope they get the TWF plates in their Jepps!)

-Goose