Delta Pilots

[Flyguy801]

I don't want to tick anyone off, Delta pilots are the cause of my vent but I really need to express how I feel.

I do not blame you guys for what you all are doing but do you guys and gals think you are the only people at Delta? Okay, I’d be upset too if I was a 19yr Pilot on the brink of retirement but what about all the people who are above and below the wing (CS and Ramp), Dispatchers (Everyone in OCC), Maintenance people and Admin? They all have families they have to support like the rest of us, we all had to adjust our life styles due to pay cuts, some people who had to be furloaded as well. WE HAVE SUFFERED MORE than you pilots will ever know or can begin to think! You guys are upset because you have to take a pay cut and won't be able to buy that bigger and faster boat or maybe that new Hummer or BMW that you have been test driving?? But you know what! You still will be making the very least of 80k a year, right?? Gee must be nice to make that much!! You see that you are the only ones who are suffering, every one is and right now you guys are the stupidest pilot group right now, have hear it from TSA pilots, ASA pilots, SkyWest pilot and United guys as well. You see how much of a joke you guys are? I am sorry I do not mean to bash but come on, you guys are not the only ones who run the company, yeah I may be a gate agent but I have a family and kids to support just like you guys. Stop acting like a bunch of grade school kids and forget the strike and take in the butt like everyone else is doing at Delta!!

I also read on the company message board that some said the government will not step in… funny, I think you guys are crazy to think they won't but because you will not only shut down the worlds busiest airport and cause economical havoc but hey okay, strike and be like a bunch of babies and watch what happens to you! Yeah, you can not be forced to work but hey I much rather be flying and adjusting my life style than spend some time in a comfy jail wouldn't you?

OH BTW for people who do not know this, 48% of the Delta pilots are active duty in the military, if they strike, the will lose the pension from the Government too.

So go ahead and bash me and I am sorry you guys hate you’re job so much but you should of quit a long time ago I am sure there are guys at SkyWest, ASA, Mesa, ect who would love to fly a B757, 737 or even a 767 for half the cost of what you guys make but that is the difference between a Delta Pilot and a Regional Pilot (some), a regional loves what they do, a Delta pilots are just greedy!

Funny thing….I do not remember hearing “Strike” at United when they were in Chapter 11th, but that is because they have a Brain, common sense and love there jobs! If they did, I sure missed it.

Again, sorry to bash or hurt feeling. This is what many of US think about you pilots

 

[Lazy8]

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wow

 

[General Lee]

I don't want to tick anyone off, Delta pilots are the cause of my vent but I really need to express how I feel.

I do not blame you guys for what you all are doing but do you guys and gals think you are the only people at Delta? Okay, I’d be upset too if I was a 19yr Pilot on the brink of retirement but what about all the people who are above and below the wing (CS and Ramp), Dispatchers (Everyone in OCC), Maintenance people and Admin? They all have families they have to support like the rest of us, we all had to adjust our life styles due to pay cuts, some people who had to be furloaded as well. WE HAVE SUFFERED MORE than you pilots will ever know or can begin to think! You guys are upset because you have to take a pay cut and won't be able to buy that bigger and faster boat or maybe that new Hummer or BMW that you have been test driving?? But you know what! You still will be making the very least of 80k a year, right?? Gee must be nice to make that much!! You see that you are the only ones who are suffering, every one is and right now you guys are the stupidest pilot group right now, have hear it from TSA pilots, ASA pilots, SkyWest pilot and United guys as well. You see how much of a joke you guys are? I am sorry I do not mean to bash but come on, you guys are not the only ones who run the company, yeah I may be a gate agent but I have a family and kids to support just like you guys. Stop acting like a bunch of grade school kids and forget the strike and take in the butt like everyone else is doing at Delta!!

I also read on the company message board that some said the government will not step in… funny, I think you guys are crazy to think they won't but because you will not only shut down the worlds busiest airport and cause economical havoc but hey okay, strike and be like a bunch of babies and watch what happens to you! Yeah, you can not be forced to work but hey I much rather be flying and adjusting my life style than spend some time in a comfy jail wouldn't you?

OH BTW for people who do not know this, 48% of the Delta pilots are active duty in the military, if they strike, the will lose the pension from the Government too.

So go ahead and bash me and I am sorry you guys hate you’re job so much but you should of quit a long time ago I am sure there are guys at SkyWest, ASA, Mesa, ect who would love to fly a B757, 737 or even a 767 for half the cost of what you guys make but that is the difference between a Delta Pilot and a Regional Pilot (some), a regional loves what they do, a Delta pilots are just greedy!

Funny thing….I do not remember hearing “Strike” at United when they were in Chapter 11th, but that is because they have a Brain, common sense and love there jobs! If they did, I sure missed it.

Again, sorry to bash or hurt feeling. This is what many of US think about you pilots

That was ridiculous. Sorry to bash our feelings? You apparently have no clue what we are going through since you seem to gulp the company kool-aid. Were you drunk when you wrote this? Thanks for telling me a SkyWest guy would love to take my job for half----and that we hate our jobs and are just greedy. Wow. That wasn't a bash or ment to hurt my feelings?

First of all, get off the Chronic, you may get drug tested at work. We have different jobs, that require different schooling and skills. If you wanted what we have job wise, you should have tried to get trained as a pilot and done the things we have done. IF I wanted to get CEO or CFO pay, I would have studied harder and gone to Wharton. (you could even lose $11 billion in five years and still leave with $16 million like Leo Mullin) I didn't, so I will get paid less. You could have done other things in your life to help your current situation. Don't blame us. I used to love this job, unitl this latest krap started. Any pilot faced with this situation will fight it, even a SkyWest guy. Well, let me take that back, he may go for growth and then fly any jet for 50 seat wages.....

The one reason we would strike is if they take away our contract, something you do not have, and it would be worse working here without one. You need to try to put the pipe down and comprehend that fact. NO CONTRACT = NO WORKIE. It would be worse to stay, and 95% say they won't do it---which would mean no airline. This is not indentured servitude--we don't have to work--and 95% of us saying NO will stop this place. I won't work in a bad situation so you can keep your job. Neither will 95% of us. That is a large number, and maybe we all know something you don't. Yeah, that is it.


Please, get help----and I am not trying to bash you or hurt your feelings. Yeah I am. That felt great.


Bye Bye--Greedy Lee

 

[Doug Parker]

I do not blame you guys for what you all are doing but do you guys and gals think you are the only people at Delta? Okay, I’d be upset too if I was a 19yr Pilot on the brink of retirement but what about all the people who are above and below the wing (CS and Ramp), Dispatchers (Everyone in OCC), Maintenance people and Admin? They all have families they have to support like the rest of us, we all had to adjust our life styles due to pay cuts, some people who had to be furloaded as well. WE HAVE SUFFERED MORE than you pilots will ever know or can begin to think! You guys are upset because you have to take a pay cut and won't be able to buy that bigger and faster boat or maybe that new Hummer or BMW that you have been test driving?? But you know what! You still will be making the very least of 80k a year, right?? Gee must be nice to make that much!! You see that you are the only ones who are suffering, every one is and right now you guys are the stupidest pilot group right now, have hear it from TSA pilots, ASA pilots, SkyWest pilot and United guys as well. You see how much of a joke you guys are? I am sorry I do not mean to bash but come on, you guys are not the only ones who run the company, yeah I may be a gate agent but I have a family and kids to support just like you guys. Stop acting like a bunch of grade school kids and forget the strike and take in the butt like everyone else is doing at Delta!!

Quick - Somebody call the Waaaaambulance !!! We don't want anybody else getting FURLOADED or take in the butt !!!




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[Otto Coarsen]

?? But you know what! You still will be making the very least of 80k a year, right?? Gee must be nice to make that much!!

Go to college, pay your dues, spend 1/3rd of the year away from your family, buy the house you've worked so hard for, go through the situation from the pilot's perspective, and then tell us how you feel.

yeah I may be a gate agent but I have a family and kids to support just like you guys.

Open the sunday paper and find another job.

worlds busiest airport

Not Quite

I much rather be flying and adjusting my life style than spend some time in a comfy jail wouldn't you?

Relavence? I'd rather be surfing the net, then be getting ru over by a train

OH BTW for people who do not know this, 48% of the Delta pilots are active duty in the military,

Wow Active Duty? How do they find the time to fly for Delta?

I am sure there are guys at SkyWest, ASA, Mesa, ect who would love to fly a B757, 737 or even a 767 for half the cost of what you guys make but that is the difference between a Delta Pilot and a Regional Pilot.

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Funny thing….I do not remember hearing “Strike” at United when they were in Chapter 11th, but that is because they have a Brain, common sense and love there jobs! If they did, I sure missed it.

one thing has nothing to do with the other bud.

Look, as an Airline employee, you should know better. You have just reduced yourself to the irrational, mindless, general-public schmuck that you deal with at the counter all day. Do yourself a favor and don't start this conversation with any of your coworker pilots k?

 

[General Lee]

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wow

Good idea editing that. I read it and almost puked. You would work without a contract---with no protections--no seniority list, no scope, no nothing? You would? That is what DL wants. Sound fun to you? Would you scab too? Good edit.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[YourPilotFriend]

This is on a grander scale than just pilots being greedy. This has to do with corporations exploiting bankruptcy to force concessions, even if it means that Delta has to die. The UAW contracts are coming up for renegotiations and if Delta is exploited, it is in the best interest of every major car company in America to file bankruptcy. Then after all is said and done, no one will be able to afford travel and you will be back in the same position as before. Nothing I’ve seen out of the airlines in recent times reflects that of the legitimate and ethical business system, that has to be stopped at all costs.

 

[accinelli]

Flyguy801 -- don't worry. The Delta pilots will talk tough and then settle. Watch and wait.

 

[Flyguy801]

1) No, I am not on Drugs nor am I drunk.....

2) Yes, I would still fly even with out a contract and only If I was going to get paid a little less.

3) Oh Yes, Believe it or not, a regional pilot would take your job for half what you are making per hour, there are many guy waiting for your job, only problem is that Delta can not train them while under Chapter 11.


4) Who do you think you all are kidding anyways? Do you all think you will be able to get another job making at least 100k flying or another job period? When an employer sees that you were a pilot for Delta, do you really think they will hire you? Nope! Sorry folks, instead they will think, "Why would we want to hire this guy or gal abanded their last job at Delta, why do we want someone who walked off from their last job?" I would only hire you guys if hell was to freeze over!! Be realistic guys! I am sure some of you all will say, well I have another job outside Delta. Great, clean out your locker, turn in your resignation to the chief pilot and have a good life!

Oh, I am very aware of all the schooling you guys go thru, very aware! I was a pilot until I got my medical condition, so I cannot hold a first class medical. And I am also aware of your contact as well and I hope that ALPO along with Delta Management will come to some sort of an agreement.

And as to the Waaaamblace comment, it’s the pilots for Delta when they don't get there way. Gee, I wish I could buy that new boat this summer.

 

[Alchemy]

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3) Oh Yes, Believe it or not, a regional pilot would take your job for half what you are making per hour, there are many guy waiting for your job, only problem is that Delta can not train them while under Chapter 11.

Here's one regional pilot who wouldn't want to fly at Delta for anything less than they currently make. Their wages are already competitive with other airlines'. A senior AirTran 737 captain makes about as much as their coutnerpart at Delta, in fact significantly more if you just compare the hourly wages. Don't even mention southwest. With further paycuts, not to mention the instability of the company, Delta is simply not a very attractive place for any pilot to work, even for a scab I think.

You are grossly mis-representing the feelings of regional pilots with this statement. There may be a few at Comair and the RJDC who couldn't care less about mainline scope clauses, but the rest of us low-lifes DO want to have a decent mainline job to go to someday. If the Delta pilots give in here, this career is even more worthless than it is already. Sure, I fly a 50 seat RJ, but I certainly wish that it was flown by mainline....even though that likely means I would not be flying it right now. At least in that scenario, whoever would be sitting this seat would have a respectable future to look forward to. Instead, I'm here, looking forward to being whipsawed for flying that will be awarded to the lowest bidder, i.e. the cheapset worker.

There is no way that Delta would be able to staff the airline with scabs...they simply could not survive the initial strike long enough to do it. To survive the strike they'd have to figure out someway to avoid liquidation for at least a month or so, by which point they would've needed to have broken the union and convinced the DL pilots to start crossing, a la CO in the 80's. Not going to happen in DL's current situation.

 

[hoya saxa]

1) I was a pilot until I got my medical condition, so I cannot hold a first class medical.

Would that medical condition be Acute Stupidicus? Or did they finally notice you were born without a functioning brain? What a shame that someone of your obvious intellect and rationality can no longer fly airplanes in the same airspace as me...

 

[Lazy8]

Good idea editing that. I read it and almost puked. You would work without a contract---with no protections--no seniority list, no scope, no nothing? You would? That is what DL wants. Sound fun to you? Would you scab too? Good edit.


Bye Bye---General Lee

lol - that's pretty good. you should put that on your picket sign.

First of all - I would never scab. Period. Second, I edited my post because I admittedly do not know the particulars of what DL wants you guys/gals to do. Just an impulsive post to a very mad individual. My mistake, i admit! There was no need for the dramatic reply.

Hope you guys make it and hope you can restore a good, positive company culture one day.

Grove

 

[Rick James]

Any pilot faced with this situation will fight it, even a SkyWest guy. Well, let me take that back, he may go for growth and then fly any jet for 50 seat wages.....


Bye Bye--Greedy Lee

General, I highly doubt you would make that statement to my face. I still don't understand your problem with Skywest. Good luck with your contract.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Well at least somebody gets the big picture here. Pilots are WAY overpaid. In an era where the planes basically fly themselves, pilots are basically taking up useful load that could be used for lucrative air cargo. Overpaid bus drivers I say. We need to get pilots salaries in line with city bus drivers (or trash collectors if you are a JBLU pilot.)

Additional profits generated by getting rid of the pilots outrageous salaries could end up where they belong - in the executive suite. Face it, the golden age of the overpaid, partying, philandering pilots is over.

I have a few friends I used to work with from ol' Texas Air I'l give a call to. I'll get a team together and we'll get DAL straightened out!

 

[mdanno808]

I've got a question for any of the Delta guys. If the decision is against the pilots on the 15th, and you are scheduled to fly an international trip on the 15th which arrives on the 16th, and is scheduled to depart back to ATL (or anywhere back in the states) on the 18th, what happens if the strike begins on the 17th? How do you get home?

 

[Jim Smyth]

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3) Oh Yes, Believe it or not, a regional pilot would take your job for half what you are making per hour, there are many guy waiting for your job, only problem is that Delta can not train them while under Chapter 11.

Then that regional Pilot would be labeled a SCAB for the rest of his/her career. Ask some of the United Pilots that SCABBED back in the 80's how life has been working there since then? Different bag room, the sound of crickets every time you walk into the room, your crew bag getting relieved in or heading overseas, no one to talk to or go out to eat with etc. Its obvious that you haven't been in the business very long with statements like this.

Its because of Delta/United/American and the rest that the bar has been set so HIGH for so long. They were the ones always improving the work rules and wages for themselves and for future generations. Its just a shame that all this current situation has to do with gas and gas alone. I wish Delta Pilots the best during theses challenging times!

 

[737 Pylt]

Flyguy801 -- don't worry. The Delta pilots will talk tough and then settle. Watch and wait.

Another cluess moron. Hey sparky, go check your diaper it might need changing!
737

Flyguy801:
Nice flaimbait!

 

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3) Oh Yes, Believe it or not, a regional pilot would take your job for half what you are making per hour, there are many guy waiting for your job, only problem is that Delta can not train them while under Chapter 11.

Actually, the Delta pilots' 100 seat pay rate is already less than pilots at most DCI carriers earn. In the race to the bottom the mainline guys hold the pole position because ALPA provides them with full representation within the brand, while the regional carrier does not have the same ability to negotiate. For example Comair can not negotiate with Delta, only Comair.

It would be impossible for a regional to underbid a mainline pilot in the current ALPA structure. Refer to threads about Northwest, Mesaba and Compass.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

flyguy801:

You are free to form a union too. By the way...nobody held a gun to your head forcing you to work in this industry, much less for Delta.

It may be hard for you to swallow, but you could have (not could of) become a pilot if you wanted to. Funny thing is, you are probably the smart one for NOT becoming an airline pilot!

Regardless of what you make, at some point you have to say (as a unified group) enough is enough. Delta management has pushed their only unified group to this point. Should we all be making ramper wages? Would that make you happy?

GP

 

[~~~^~~~]

There may be a few at Comair and the RJDC who couldn't care less about mainline scope clauses, but the rest of us low-lifes DO want to have a decent mainline job to go to someday.

How you guys continue to get this wrong just amazes me. The RJDC is fighting for scope, better scope than we have now.

Scope is currently used as a super C scale to keep pilots away from the coveted mainline jobs. Members of the Delta MEC have said that they see scope as a way to ensure military pilots never have to fly at the Regional level.

Supporters of the RJDC feel that non mainline pilots should be able to participate in scope negotiations within the brand - to stop whipsaw and restore the piloting profession together. This is a position also adopted by ALPA, but not enforced. ALPA simply asks that MEC's get along, rather than stepping in an providing leadership. Without any leadership, or any enforcement of the rules, big MEC's run over small MEC's and the divisions between pilot groups result in what we see around us now.

The Delta pilots are correct to say "No Contract - No Work." However, those who believe that pay should be restored and scope tightened do not understand the economics of the situation. ALPA does understand these economics and has promoted the idea that regional pilots should work for less, sometimes much less, so that the parent company has the cash to pay mainline guys more. If the Delta MEC tries to get a better compensation package for those in the big house they are going to need the DCI slaves down on the plantation. That is the way this all started in Ron Allen's day and ALPA is much more divided now than it was then.

The Northwest pilots tried to bring most of the flying in house and are paying a high price (but not as high a price as the Mesaba pilots whos jobs are being destroyed and given to other ALPA members). The RJDC plays a protective role on the Delta property. If such a thing was attempted involving Comair, or ASA, ALPA is assured that their conduct will be reviewed by the Courts.