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Steenland: Fuel costs may shrink merged Delta/Northwest




Minneapolis-St. Paul will retain a "vibrant" hub and a substantial number of jobs if a Delta-Northwest merger moves forward, Northwest Airlines Corp. CEO Doug Steenland told business leaders Monday. But he said that soaring fuel costs may ultimately shrink local operations.
Speaking at a meeting of the St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce, Steenland said the combined carrier will keep its reservation offices, data center and flight-training facility open following the close of the deal. Overall, he expects the deal to have a similar impact on the Twin Cities as the 1998 merger between Minneapolis-based Norwest Corp. and San Francisco-based Wells Fargo; In that deal, Minneapolis lost a corporate headquarters, but ultimately gained more jobs.
But Steenland cautioned that with the price of oil soaring, it's hard to predict how many workers the carrier will employ into the future. "This can only go on so long," Steenland said, of airlines absorbing the high price of fuel. "Fuel costs will have to be passed onto consumers. That will mean higher fares, so we'll see demand come down, and the airline will have to shrink."
Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. (NYSE: DAL) and Northwest (NYSE: NWA) last week began crafting a plan for integrating the carriers, Steenland said. The companies expect the merger to close by the end of the year. Northwest may operate as a standalone airline for a full year after the deal wraps up, he said.
While the combined airline's headquarters will be based in Atlanta, the merged company will continue to have a big presence in the Twin Cities. "What won't be different is that Minneapolis-St. Paul will continue to be a vibrant, robust hub," Steenland said.
The airline also will continue to support Twin Cities cultural institutions and non-profits, he said.
 
The merger will not result in any destinations being cut. The rise of fuel and low load factors will result in markets being cut. The reduction in ASM means fewer frequencies, markets, planes, and pilots.
 
How convenient...

At least DAL/NWA management has something to blame the massive furloughs on instead of the normal boring list they've long used since the 80's.

Fuel costs!! Yeeeaaaaah. That's the ticket!
 
DAL/NWA won't be the only airline shrinking in that scenario - every airline will see shrinkage... The only thing growing will be Steeland's bank account.

I'd say the regional feed in mid/large sized markets will be the first to go... You can't make any money with 37-50 seat airplanes when gas is so pricey.
 
Steenland: Fuel costs may shrink merged Delta/Northwest




Minneapolis-St. Paul will retain a "vibrant" hub and a substantial number of jobs if a Delta-Northwest merger moves forward, Northwest Airlines Corp. CEO Doug Steenland told business leaders Monday. But he said that soaring fuel costs may ultimately shrink local operations.
Speaking at a meeting of the St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce, Steenland said the combined carrier will keep its reservation offices, data center and flight-training facility open following the close of the deal. Overall, he expects the deal to have a similar impact on the Twin Cities as the 1998 merger between Minneapolis-based Norwest Corp. and San Francisco-based Wells Fargo; In that deal, Minneapolis lost a corporate headquarters, but ultimately gained more jobs.
But Steenland cautioned that with the price of oil soaring, it's hard to predict how many workers the carrier will employ into the future. "This can only go on so long," Steenland said, of airlines absorbing the high price of fuel. "Fuel costs will have to be passed onto consumers. That will mean higher fares, so we'll see demand come down, and the airline will have to shrink."
Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. (NYSE: DAL) and Northwest (NYSE: NWA) last week began crafting a plan for integrating the carriers, Steenland said. The companies expect the merger to close by the end of the year. Northwest may operate as a standalone airline for a full year after the deal wraps up, he said.
While the combined airline's headquarters will be based in Atlanta, the merged company will continue to have a big presence in the Twin Cities. "What won't be different is that Minneapolis-St. Paul will continue to be a vibrant, robust hub," Steenland said.
The airline also will continue to support Twin Cities cultural institutions and non-profits, he said.[/quote]

Whew!!! Close call. He waited to the very end for that one. Good thing they are giving away shareholder's money when they are losing money faster than the mints can print it. Only in the airlines can the people that run them be so totally incompetent.
 
Again, Steeland won't have to worry about anything shrinking - including his wallet after his $22 million merger bonus. He'll have the biggest house on the lake and he can sit back and watch the downsizing of the entire industry if oil stays above $125 for the next few months...
 
As I have posted before, they say that they will keep all of the hubs open....that doesnt mean they wont go down in size...if it wasnt for fuel costs they would make up another excuse. NWA is the only airline I know that used sars as a reason for cutting back flights....they would probably resort back to that if it wasnt for fuel. As soon as the ink is dry on the deal, you will see them claim "because of fuel costs, we can no longer maintain the level of flying we are at." And the cuts will begin. But, Delta will now have the gem of the industry, NWA's Pacific division and everyone will be happy in ATL.
 
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There will be some "shrinkage"---mainly RJs to smaller cities from all of the hubs. Everyone is aware that it is very tough to make a profit with 50 seaters these days, and they are first on the chopping block. Not very many cities will be cut, rather frequency.

As far as Delta mainline shrinking, all we have officially said is that we will lose 15-20 mainine planes---consisting of some MD88s and 757s that are due for heavy mx anyway. We will also gain planes--6 737-700s and 6 777LRs on firm order. Add to the possible mix of a few more 777s on rumor, with an additional 20 or so MD90s that could come from Saudia. As far as adding to the Northwest mainline, I do not know---although some on here are saying thanks to the 787 delays, they might get some additional 744s from Boeing.

We also know that Steenland will be getting an extra bonus for staying on at NWA THROUGH the merger, but afterwards he will be thrown out of management and onto the board of directors--with time to enjoy his new mansion on Lake Minnetonka.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
The merger will not result in any destinations being cut. The rise of fuel and low load factors will result in markets being cut. The reduction in ASM means fewer frequencies, markets, planes, and pilots.


And that is why I hope they drag this SLI as long as possible. There is very little doubt that if oil remains over 100$ a barrel by the fall, furloughs will occur. I believe there will be at least two DC9s parked for every MD88 and 75.

It would be extremely unfair if we merged the lists and they park nothing but MD88 and 75 and they furlough a bunch of NWA guys, totally unfair. And viceversa if they park mostly DC9s.

Furloughs should be a byproduct of A/C type. For the first 2 years A/C and company should remain attached when it comes to something so important as furloughs. I sure hope the union addresses that because a lot of DAL guys feel the DC9 will be the first A/C to be parked with oil at 126$ or higher.
 
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Man, did I call this one. Hey General 737 Pylt, better get those resumes tuned up. I hear SWA will start interviewing soon.

Jmoney/tanker clown/jimmy c. corn:

Is the air force hiring? I guess good qualifications are coffee serving techniques!
Rumor has it you've moved up to "head server.":laugh:

737
 
Swa?

Man, did I call this one. Hey General 737 Pylt, better get those resumes tuned up. I hear SWA will start interviewing soon.


The General would never lower himself to flying all those "little bitty" 737s. He would much rather be the Disney "small world" tour guide. SWA doesn't even go to great places like Nigeria and Calcutta. They don't fool with destinations that lose billions.

-Suck it, general-as much as you try and berate and belittle everyone who flies "little" bitty airplanes, their employers sure have the whole "making money" part figured out better than yours!

$6.7 BILLION ring any bells?
 
Hey 737, if you want to apply for the Air Force, just tell them you have some have been working in the same industry. Both are non-profit operations. Delta probably take a few more government hand outs though.
 
The General would never lower himself to flying all those "little bitty" 737s. He would much rather be the Disney "small world" tour guide. SWA doesn't even go to great places like Nigeria and Calcutta. They don't fool with destinations that lose billions.

-Suck it, general-as much as you try and berate and belittle everyone who flies "little" bitty airplanes, their employers sure have the whole "making money" part figured out better than yours!

$6.7 BILLION ring any bells?

I think its hysterical that this ****************************** bag answers himself! Between your carnal relations with goats, showering with grown men, ass comments, and young boy addiction, I'd say you are making some shrink a lot of money!:nuts:

Too bad he can't cure stupid!:laugh:

737
 
I think Delta gave you 6.7 BILLION reasons in the first three months of '08 why you might actually want to look into other employment opportunities including serving your country.
 
I think Delta gave you 6.7 BILLION reasons in the first three months of '08 why you might actually want to look into other employment opportunities including serving your country.

Looks like serving your country requires no experience, very little intelligence, and good coffee serving techniques. I'd say after almost 20 years and 1750 hours, you've perfected it, congrats!:laugh:
Now quick, sign out and sign back in as jhomo before you lose momentum......

737
 
Ok general.

He's a General too? Fantastic.

And JMoney, I wasn't making fun of "little" 737s. Some of them are quite large, like the 739. BTW, the 737 is a lot larger than your RJ. Have fun in Valdosta and Flint. Those must be fun for you. Thank Gawd I don't have to go there, along with LBB.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
He's a General too? Fantastic.

And JMoney, I wasn't making fun of "little" 737s. Some of them are quite large, like the 739. BTW, the 737 is a lot larger than your RJ. Have fun in Valdosta and Flint. Those must be fun for you. Thank Gawd I don't have to go there, along with LBB.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You are such a freaking retard. Your company averages a loss of $2.2 Billion a month...and you still think your sh!t doesn't stink because you don't go to LBB? You'll be wishing you had a LBB overnight when you guys liquidate.
 
Two things....A. Northwest may operate as a standalone airline for a full year after the deal wraps up, he said. IF this is true, each airline will being doing hiring or furloughing to its own kind - so if nines get parked NWA guys go and if it is 88s DAL guys hit the street. As much as it sucks either way - that seems semi-fair.B. Tanker clown... u r an idoit.That is all...
 
Send in the clowns

Please do not respond to TC's posts anymore. He has to be a phony. Want proof?

A. You have to be an officer to be a pilot in the AF.

B. You have to be a college graduate to be an officer in the AF.

C. TC has the maturity, spelling, and grammar of, at best, a 4th grader.

My apologies to any 4th graders I may have offended.
 
Many will disagree but I don't see any furloughs of pilots at either NWA or Delta.

Reasoning:

1) The DC-9: Currently NWA has only 850 DC-9 pilots. This aircraft is still at least 1.5 to 2 years away from being retired. And this is if an announcement came at the end of the summer to rid the airline completely of DC-9s. Most likely the "9" will be around a bit longer.

2) Monthly maximums: Fuzzy math here but, NWA monthly maximums are much higher than Delta. At NWA, most all pilots are flying over 80 hours, probably close to 85. Delta is much lower near 78. The Delta guys could shed more light on their monthly maximums.

3) Staffing the B787. Currently the B747-400 staffing is around 28 pilots/aircraft. Similar flying equals similar staffing. 18 B787s x 28 pilots = 504 pilots. This goes a long way in nullifying even an aggressive retirement of the DC-9.

4) Retirements. They continue at NWA. Many in their late 50's will elect to retire after receiving equity via a merger signing and most all will retire at 60. With a preserved pension, only a small percentage of NWA pilots are sticking around.

5) The AX Men. Meaning Steenland and crew, who are leaving. In most cases their solutions to solve revenue problems involved aggressive furloughs. Of course, all of the legacies have furloughed at one time but not "Steenland style." Over two hundred at NWA were furloughed twice after 9/11 only to leave the airline short staffed and canceling hundreds of flights daily.
 
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Many will disagree but I don't see any furloughs of pilots at either NWA or Delta.

Reasoning:

1) The DC-9: Currently NWA has only 850 DC-9 pilots. This aircraft is still at least 1.5 to 2 years away from being retired. And this is if an announcement came at the end of the summer to rid the airline completely of DC-9s. Most likely the "9" will be around a bit longer.

2) Monthly maximums: Fuzzy math here but, NWA monthly maximums are much higher than Delta. At NWA, most all pilots are flying over 80 hours, probably close to 85. Delta is much lower near 78. The Delta guys could shed more light on their monthly maximums.

3) Staffing the B787. Currently the B747-400 staffing is around 28 pilots/aircraft. Similar flying equals similar staffing. 18 B787s x 28 pilots = 504 pilots. This goes a long way in nullifying even an aggressive retirement of the DC-9.

4) Retirements. They continue at NWA. Many in their late 50's will elect to retire after receiving equity via a merger signing and most all will retire at 60. With a preserved pension, only a small percentage of NWA pilots are sticking around.

5) The AX Men. Meaning Steenland and crew, who are leaving. In most cases their solutions to solve revenue problems involved aggressive furloughs. Of course, all of the legacies have furloughed at one time but not "Steenland style." Over two hundred at NWA were furloughed twice after 9/11 only to leave the airline short staffed and canceling hundreds of flights daily.

Hopefully that is true. It is tougher to park leased planes (MD88s) since you still have to pay for the leases regardless (unless you go BK again). Also, we will be getting new airplanes on FIRM orders, with 6 737-700s coming this Summer, and 6 777LRs (each 777 is staffed at 19 crews). Fingers crossed!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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