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canyonblue said:
Yet you Delto guys end up on all of ours SWA threads, hurling insults and childish rants. I'm quite glad we upset you so much, loos like we are doing our job. What's up at Delto lately? I couldn't care less. Remember what Elenor Roosevelt said, "No one can make you feel inferior, except a Southwest pilot".
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Good post CanyonBlue. These same few Delta guys are getting pissy at us EK pilots as well. The strange thing is the Delta pilots I know and hang with are semi-normal decent guys. This forum seems to bring out all the loony ones.
 
EngineThunder said:
He still didnt answer the question: how does a dominent world carrier end up Bankrupt?
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I'll answer it for him- A chitty CEO When a bean counter (Leo Mullins)
gets a hold of an airline it's a downhill slide. Mullins burned thru 2 billion in cash before he made any meaningful changes, and wound up getting run off.

It takes a visionary to really make an airline click- Guys like Juan Trippe, Eddie Rickenbacker, Howard Hughes, Herb Kelleher to name a notable few. Richard Anderson seems to fit the bill as well. They can see past next quarter's balance sheet and make changes for the long term growth and profit. Beware the bean counter
 
Well before our bankruptcy, Leo visited the cockpit and we were discussing the situation at UAL. He said "I was in banking, and know that United waited too long."
That was when I decided to take an early retirement. :erm:
 
scoreboardII said:
Where to begin:

Never said SWA was a world airline, your lie number one.

SWA CEO has never asked for pay-cuts, instead latest letter says just the opposite, your lie number two.

Market CAP is only half the story: DAL market CAP: $24B, but a net tangible asset value of negative $17B, a true company value of only $7B.

SWA on the other hand has a market CAP of $12.9B, with a balance sheet of positive $6B, basically valued at $19B.

Essentially, SWA could BUY DAL outright. Your lie number three.

Never had to pay for my job, your lie number four.

ETOPS program is on hold, not scrapped, and we are still taking ETOPs deliveries. Your lie number five.

SWA has slowed growth, except for that pesky little merger, which means we just grew by 1700 pilots in the last two years, how about DAL? Your like number six.

We are upgrading two classes of 20-24 a month, your lie seven.

SWA doesn't outsource it's flying, lie eight. We are not an RJ airline, lie nine. Last but not least, there will never be an AirTran captain flying a SWA jet, only SWA captains, lie ten.

Scoot, the "town Liar".
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You missed the one about Southwest not being a Fortune 500 company. So 11 lies in a row?
 
Whip Whitaker said:
Good post CanyonBlue. These same few Delta guys are getting pissy at us EK pilots as well. The strange thing is the Delta pilots I know and hang with are semi-normal decent guys. This forum seems to bring out all the loony ones.
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Wow, it's the moral compass Whip saving the day.... Hey Whip, there are plenty of problems with this industry, and opinions. Some people can skillfully juggle between more than one topic and provide healthy debate. Others, ahem, can only criticize. Which are you? Great night!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
scoreboardII said:
Completely untrue. On Jan 1, 2015, everyone will be same pay. We negotiated to give them same pay on the first SLi, they rejected that.
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When you mean "They", you are talking about the "seven" MEC members that denied the AT pilot group a chance to vote on their future.
 
redflyer65 said:
Yes. The seven that thought they could run the clock out for arbitration.
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Didn't your boss sign off on that in the Process Agreement?


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Didn't your boss sign off on that in the Process Agreement?


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Not that you know jack diddly about the process agreement, but yes, our boss did sign off on it; thanks for pointing it out. That would be the agreement that said all parties "wanted to avoid" arbitration, and that both pilot groups agreed to send the agreement to the pilots for a vote. GK enforced it, and both sides voted as they had agreed to. It seems the process agreement was followed. You satisfied now?

Bubba
 
SWA Bubba said:
Not that you know jack diddly about the process agreement, but yes, our boss did sign off on it; thanks for pointing it out. That would be the agreement that said all parties "wanted to avoid" arbitration, and that both pilot groups agreed to send the agreement to the pilots for a vote. GK enforced it, and both sides voted as they had agreed to. It seems the process agreement was followed. You satisfied now?

Bubba
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Riiiiiiight Bubba. You TRY to make it sound like everyone was holding hands, cheering and jumping up and down. You and everyone else knows that is untrue. You live in a FANTASTIC fantasy originating in Lubbock. Ask some AT pilots on here if they agree with you.... Oh wait, they must be wrong according to you... The ONLY AT guy who will agree with you is Max Blast, and he is running for VP of Flt Ops...


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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redflyer65 said:
He did, and he followed it...but you know that.

I like the feigned outrage and knowledge you bring to these discussions.
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Wait Red, which is it? You stated they wanted to run out the clock and go to arbitration. If the boss allowed that via the process agreement, why wouldn't they have just run the clock down? What MADE them change their minds? If there was no pressure and it was allowed in the agreement, I would have let the clock run down and had a fair SLI done by neutrals. I bet some of the AT 737 pilots would have stayed in the left seat..... That would have been an obvious part of the award, they brought 737s and options to the party. Hmmmm.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Wait Red, which is it? You stated they wanted to run out the clock and go to arbitration. If the boss allowed that via the process agreement, why wouldn't they have just run the clock down? What MADE them change their minds? If there was no pressure and it was allowed in the agreement, I would have let the clock run down and had a fair SLI done by neutrals. I bet some of the AT 737 pilots would have stayed in the left seat..... That would have been an obvious part of the award, they brought 737s and options to the party. Hmmmm.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Feigned outrage again. Nice.

You need to read the previous arbiter's ruling. It's called 'hard bargaining' and the AirTran pilots folded. Yes. They could have voted NO and gone to arbitration. But you already knew that.

Post like yours are pretty useless when you already knew the answers. Who are you trying to impress?

Ancient history my friend. No matter how many times to try to 'act' outraged. You could give a sh!t about the former AirTran pilots. Your post are all about being anti-SW for some reason. I'm sorry your so outraged that we've done so well over all the years. That must be hard to think about over all the years you've been at DL. You know, after 9/11...and then the 2005 bankruptcy. Painful.
 
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redflyer65 said:
Feigned outrage again. Nice.

You need to read the previous arbiter's ruling. It's called 'hard bargaining' and the AirTran pilots folded. Yes. They could have voted NO and gone to arbitration. But you already knew that.

Post like yours are pretty useless when you already knew the answers. Who are you trying to impress?

Ancient history my friend. No matter how many times to try to 'act' outraged. You could give a sh!t about the former AirTran pilots. Your post are all about being anti-SW for some reason. I'm sorry your so outraged that we've done so well over all the years. That must be hard to think about over all the years you've been at DL. You know, after 9/11...and then the 2005 bankruptcy. Painful.
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Well Red, that doesn't mean you'll continue. I like to bring up the AT guys and your current outsourcing with cheaper rates on same planes when you guys start getting on your high horses, telling us not to outsource. You are doing it yourself, and can't even see it. Hard bargaining, huh? Your management shouldn't have been involved, it could have saved some future loyalty. Again, you guys watched two previous mergers, and you went down the wrong path. To preserve loyalty and avoid seeming preferential, your bosses should have allowed it all to go to neutrals, where you could have tried to push your views in testimony. If you were so confident, it would have gone exactly the way you thought, right?

Yeah, it is over, and you are still outsourcing with cheaper rates for the SAME size plane. You bring it up again, and I will too. And Red, my future looks FANTASTIC, vs stagnate. My QOL and pay will be increasing greatly in the near future. How are your contract talks going?


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Saluki Dawg said:
No worries. Delta would need a large fleet of modern DC-9's that seat around 110 passengers with new Business Class interiors with in seat IFE and WiFi in order to have any chance at all. Since no such Airplane exists, Delta will surely fail at this futile attempt to compete with our Positively Outrageous Service. "Grab Your Bag, It's On!":uzi:
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Ever hear of a Airbus SIU Dog?
 
General Lee said:
Riiiiiiight Bubba. You TRY to make it sound like everyone was holding hands, cheering and jumping up and down. You and everyone else knows that is untrue. You live in a FANTASTIC fantasy originating in Lubbock. Ask some AT pilots on here if they agree with you.... Oh wait, they must be wrong according to you... The ONLY AT guy who will agree with you is Max Blast, and he is running for VP of Flt Ops...


Bye Bye---General Lee
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I didn't say that anyone was holding hands, now did I? All I said was that the process agreement was followed. People on both sides are unhappy, and no one's cheering or jumping up and down. But the process agreement was followed. Talk about your reading comprehension problems. You're certainly the king of that.

By the way, Max Blast is gone, so can probably stop including him in your BS rants, you insensitive (not to mention ignorant) prick.

Bubba
 

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