Delta Love Field Expansion

[Flopgut]

Continental never did stop flying at least an RJ size airplane in there. Looked at the res app and we're doing IAH DAL 7 times today. Who pulled out of that route? That would be SWA. And it was indeed a butt whipping.
This is going to be fun to watch.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I just want to thank Southwest for letting us operate at their airports in FLL, TPA, and MCO....

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

They can use the SWA/AT 717's with the big seats for as long as it will last

 

[Flopgut]

The guy RA has making these decisions came from CAL 7 or 8 years ago. He's the one who orchestrated CAL cleaning SWA's plow at Hobby 10 years ago. He knows what he's doing.

 

[filejw]

The guy RA has making these decisions came from CAL 7 or 8 years ago. He's the one who orchestrated CAL cleaning SWA's plow at Hobby 10 years ago. He knows what he's doing.

Think you find will RA mostly wants service to his hubs and if he doesn't make money he will pull up stakes.

 

[Remington]

Continental never did stop flying at least an RJ size airplane in there. Looked at the res app and we're doing IAH DAL 7 times today. Who pulled out of that route? That would be SWA. And it was indeed a butt whipping.
This is going to be fun to watch.

Worked good for AA.

 

[Full of LUV]

No one had a desire to serve Love under the Wright Amendment because of the ridiculous restrictions written into that law. Southwest of course found ways to operate successfully at DAL due to its point to point route structure. Now that Wright is finally being repealed there will definitely be more players other than just Delta vying for a piece of that market. Wright did not restrict other players at Love, the SWA monopoly there grew from the fact that no one else wanted it.

Your "ridiculous restrictions" were what let DFW float bonds to build what would become a behemoth that would best serve both Dallas and Ft Worth. Without the restrictions, there would have been no assurance that Meacham and Love wouldn't have continued on to undercut the new expensive (relative) airport that opened in the 70's.
The restrictions were designed to keep Love and Meacham as commuter type airports to handle the intra texas traffic and later near state traffic.
Funny how some like to rewrite history in a way that portrays SWA as some random victim in random airport oversight.....

 

[Flopgut]

Think you find will RA mostly wants service to his hubs and if he doesn't make money he will pull up stakes.

The real surprise will be if DAL actually gets the gates. SWA won't want DAL adding these flights or getting these gates, and DOJ didn't peel them away from AA with any other airline in mind but SWA getting them.

 

[GIZMONC]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

The problem is that the lead attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice in the lawsuit made clear that the DOJ wants the gates at seven airports and takeoff and landing slots to go to airlines other than Delta and other “legacy” carriers.

Miss Delta is starting to get GREEDY, they were all hot to trot to swap those DCA gates for LGA with US AIRWAYS, now they want those DCA gates back.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Your "ridiculous restrictions" were what let DFW float bonds to build what would become a behemoth that would best serve both Dallas and Ft Worth. Without the restrictions, there would have been no assurance that Meacham and Love wouldn't have continued on to undercut the new expensive (relative) airport that opened in the 70's.
The restrictions were designed to keep Love and Meacham as commuter type airports to handle the intra texas traffic and later near state traffic.
Funny how some like to rewrite history in a way that portrays SWA as some random victim in random airport oversight.....

Sorry, but you're wrong here. Speaking of revisionist history...

DFW's bonds were "floated" long before Southwest Airlines existed. Construction from these bonds started in 1969 (the site was decided on and the land purchased in 1966) and the airport opened for service in January 1974. The Wright Amendment didn't exist until 1979; it had jack-diddly-squat to do with raising money to build DFW.

Southwest began service as an intrastate airline at Love Field in June 1971, and that was only after a prolonged legal battle to kill us. The intrenched airlines tried to kill us simply to not have competition at all; it was not having anything to do with DFW. Incidentally, those three airlines (two that no longer exist and Continental) pleaded no contest in criminal court for their illegal efforts to kill us. When the Airline Deregulation Act was passed in 1978, Southwest prepared to fly out of Texas. Again the other airlines sued. Every single effort failed on their merits, again,... and on appeal, failed yet again. There was no legal justification of any sort to stop us. So, after all the legal defeats, Speaker of the house Wright (D-Ft Worth), an American Airlines stooge, simply changed the law. His first attempt (stand alone) was soundly defeated in Congress, so he attached it to an unrelated important bill where it finally succeeded.

While Braniff and American Airlines and Speaker Wright (and apparently you, Full of It) like to claim it was to "protect" DFW, it was really instituted solely to prevent Southwest Airlines from competing with the other airlines. DFW needed no protection; it was already 10 times the size of Love Field, and has further grown over the years to be the third busiest airport in the world. There was nothing on earth that was going to replace the capacity that DFW supplied to the Dallas metroplex, even in 1979. Yet American still launched an expensive PR effort in 2006, claiming the Wright Amendment was still needed to "keep DFW strong," as if DFW might die otherwise. BS. It was to keep American Airlines profits up, at the expense of American capitalistic competition, same as in 1979.

Regardless, no other private entity ever had a friggin law passed on its behalf, hobbling possible competitors. No other airport in the country has had its sponsors place restrictions placed on other airports, simply to kill the competition. No other airport needs this "protection"; why should DFW? Why do you think it took Speaker Wright, from Ft Worth, with hundreds of thousands of of dollars in American Airlines political contributions, to sneak this law in?

You are right about on thing, however--Southwest wasn't a "random victim." Southwest was a very specifically targeted victim in the whole sordid political charade that was the Wright Amendment.

Bubba