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[General Lee]

Shoot me, I'm actually responding to GL's post-
Like trying to argue with a fart.

I have been on record dozens of times saying I'd have preferred arbitration.

Clear enough for you?

My opinion counts for less than nothing YEARS later.

As someone who has been a captain for multiple outfits and an FO for multiple outfits and switched those roles many times because of 9/11 etc- I may disagree with all kinds of things that have gone on in this industry, from outsourcing, to age 65, to SLI's, to individual unions responses to their SLI's-

What it's not ever though- is a "degradation" or "debasement" to wear the first officer hat.

There are quite a bit of old school captains at both air tran and SWA that haven't got the memo on that one. It comes from a career of really quick upgrades and history of low pay as a first officer. Both contribute to making some really weird captains who have almost no realistic industry perspective.

Some may be "quirky" as you state, but you don't make them all FOs. That's just plain ridiculous. And, it happened. So, when AT guys do complain about it for years, be ready to sympathize with them. It was handled poorly.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

More non- sensical ranting.
More hyperbole.
More absolutes with no facts to back anything up.

Rant away GLEE. You're fun to watch. Between AAI and USAPA, you're gonna stroke out.

Just remember, 90% of the pilots at SWA voted to accept the MSWAPA pilot list.

All the whining and crying in the world won't change that fact. But hey! Maybe ALPULL will institute the fragmentation clause and DALPA will cough up those captain seats that go along with those 88 planes we sent to you. You know, since you're all up in arms about fairness and all!

So, you didn't read that Delta doesn't own the planes yet? (SWA sub-lease) Delta isn't buying the planes until the SWA leases are up, and then they are being bought at the "then current" price in 10 years. I believe in your contract or AT's previous contract it states that there is no fragmentation when a lease is involved, which is the case. Sorry! But that still doesn't take away the poor treatment those guys got from your team. They are gonna be angry for years.

And I'm not angry or feeling like I'll stroke out. I just find it interesting how many of you guys and the Easties dismiss the poor treatment of your fellow pilots. Arbitration would have been so much easier on everyone, and a lot more fair. Oh well, you and Wavey just don't understand, and that's obvious. It is fun watching your reactions, though.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Deflection-
You know general that you owe those pilot jobs to air tran pilots- it's just not convenient to your weak arguments

If Swapa line pilots had had any idea that we were going to sell off 2/3's of their planes it definitely would have gone to arbitration.

 

[General Lee]

Deflection-
You know general that you owe those pilot jobs to air tran pilots- it's just not convenient to your weak arguments

If Swapa line pilots had had any idea that we were going to sell off 2/3's of their planes it definitely would have gone to arbitration.

Funny stuff. Your airline is replacing the 717s one for one. And your company knew exactly what it was doing, legally. Why didn't AT ALPA sue? They figured out that SWA did it legally. It had to be done one way, and they did it correctly. But, thanks for the upgrades and RJ replacements.

And don't blame anyone but your boss for not revealing the plans. I'm sure the AT guys would have wanted to know too. They thought they could bid the 717s and stay Capts. That didn't happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Roomwithaview]

Oh make no mistake.....

Funny stuff. Your airline is replacing the 717s one for one. And your company knew exactly what it was doing, legally. Why didn't AT ALPA sue? They figured out that SWA did it legally. It had to be done one way, and they did it correctly. But, thanks for the upgrades and RJ replacements.

And don't blame anyone but your boss for not revealing the plans. I'm sure the AT guys would have wanted to know too. They thought they could bid the 717s and stay Capts. That didn't happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Everyone knew the plan. That's why RSW pilots are pi$$ed because our union sold US down the river and Trannies are too arrogant and pi$$ed to recognize that their MEC got them a smoking hot deal for getting RSW seniority while bringing over less than half their planes. Especially when you consider SL 9 would have had AAI furloughs involved with 717s not hitting the property.

As you pointed out-GLEE, all done legally with over 90% of the combined list signing YES on the dotted line. Glad you've finally admitted that all your whining about AAI is nothing more than a little schoolgirl rant.

Now, get back to b*tching about USAPA and bragging about your 40 hour layovers in Who-Flung-Dung. Make sure to where a raincoat.

 

[HowardBorden]

Arbitration would have been so much easier on everyone, and a lot more fair. Oh well, you and Wavey just don't understand, and that's obvious.

What you either fail to realize, or blatantly omit, was that the offers came from SWA. Management had the right and ability to put forth offers completely on their own. They put out an original offer that kept every captain in their seat, had date of signing pay parity and fenced Atlanta. ALPA chose not to allow that offer to be sent to membership ratification. That second offer put forth by SWA MANAGEMENT was the offer that was voted on and overwhelmingly ratified by equal numbers in both groups. The process agreement specifically stated that all 4 signatories preferred a non arbitrated agreement. End of story. Had either group failed to ratify the next step in the process agreement was arbitration.

 

[waveflyer]

Funny stuff. Your airline is replacing the 717s one for one. And your company knew exactly what it was doing, legally. Why didn't AT ALPA sue? They figured out that SWA did it legally. It had to be done one way, and they did it correctly. But, thanks for the upgrades and RJ replacements.

And don't blame anyone but your boss for not revealing the plans. I'm sure the AT guys would have wanted to know too. They thought they could bid the 717s and stay Capts. That didn't happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

And btw- you've made this argument dozens of times- so let's handle it-
why is that replacement a good thing for Swapa pilots?
It's getting very hard to 737 airframes- why do you think we've held onto the classics? Also the 717 was touted as being the slightly smaller aircraft that could get us into smaller communities.
Now instead of new airplanes meaning growth, there just aren't enough airplanes in the world for us to grow all that substantially to take the sting out of diluted seniority. What you don't know is that the air tran purchase was sold to Swapa pilots as a springboard for growth. We're finally seeing some of that, but it has been glacial compared to what was hinted at. And anyone with a brain could see that it would have to be as soon as we got rid of 88 airplanes that were supposed to open up dozens of smaller communities and give job security to the amarillos of the world.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

What you don't know is that the air tran purchase was sold to Swapa pilots as a springboard for growth. We're finally seeing some of that, but it has been glacial compared to what was hinted at.

Was there significant overlap between the SWA and AT operations?