Delta Hiring

[anewunion]

Yeah, What gives..

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I guess you could look at it that way. I do not have the reasoning behind it, but ponder this.
This will allow people who are dropping their entire months to just go on leave. The number of these lines posted does not have to be filled. Point is that if only two take it, they will not involuntary assign the remaining ones in inverse order. (read temporary furlough) The wording is strict enough like an SIL that if there are no takers the ones that signed up take it, and the rest go on making reserve pay. If this is the case you may see SIL's.
This does not work for guys who see DAL as their only job. The benefit to this is for the guy who does mil leave, or the guy with a business that drops all but one trip a month to do his other career. With this they will get medical and pass bennies. That means that they get the only reasons they are keeping this job. There are a lot of guys out there that use DAL for these two reasons alone. I personally know about 50 of em.
DAL saw guys dropping trips that put their credit way below the 55 hrs that the SIL's credit and decided not to award any as it would cost them more than what guys were doing for themselves. The program lets those guys playing the system opt in, and do their other job. It may give a few junior guys a line that they might not get otherwise.
Once again, we were our own worst enemy. By us doing all of this dropping, the company was able to conclude that it was cheaper not to award SIL's
Just my thoughts of course.

 

[jetjockey#1]

ACL, it is my understanding SILs "were" part of PWA, just like reserve guarantee. The union gave the company relief on this issue, and there is no doubt we are setting a precedent for the future. I personally know 3 777A who have flown 1 trip each in the last 60 days, would it be OK for the company to pay them any less than if they flew 70 hours a month every month. I know you don't think so, I don't either, I just believe the company believes we shouldn't get paid "for not working" and what point enough is enough. In my book they just crossed that line. for every one DAL pilot who only "works" one trip a month because he has to, there are 15-20 who would've taken the SILs at 55 hours. The union just gave a very big chunk of money back to the company for not apparent reason, aren't you concerned?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL, it is my understanding SILs "were" part of PWA, just like reserve guarantee. The union gave the company relief on this issue, and there is no doubt we are setting a precedent for the future. I personally know 3 777A who have flown 1 trip each in the last 60 days, would it be OK for the company to pay them any less than if they flew 70 hours a month every month. I know you don't think so, I don't either, I just believe the company believes we shouldn't get paid "for not working" and what point enough is enough. In my book they just crossed that line. for every one DAL pilot who only "works" one trip a month because he has to, there are 15-20 who would've taken the SILs at 55 hours. The union just gave a very big chunk of money back to the company for not apparent reason, aren't you concerned?

I am curious as to why they did it. What was the first offer or request from the company? Remember that if we as a group do not want these types of deals in the future, no one should take one. It will send a message that SIL's are what we want.

I can guess all day at why they did it. We may get answers, but we may not. I am not a fan of zero pay, but it in reality we need to look at the whole picture. Did it start off with no 01.01.2010 pay bump? Was this the compromise. If that is the case, I will be happy with it. Was it another displacement? With the 88 getting fat staffed to prepare for a possible furlough? If so, I like this. Like I said, I doubt it was as clear cut as we would like to think. Nothing ever is.

I AM concerned over the precedent this sets. It means that we have told the company that we are willing to accept seasonal LOA's. I do not like that at all. Next time it may be X number of pilots will take these, and if we do not get them we will go in inverse seniority order. NWA used to furlough in the off season. This LOA is far from that, and or contract protects us against that type of action. Read the LOA. It is for a specific time frame, then it is null. All I will say is it might open the door to the possibility, of similiar types of programs in the future.

On a side note, the yield should pick up going forward, and that is good for all of us.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Won't apply to mil leave. I am on mil leave. That will cover me through the end of my leave and I will get 401K deposits when I leave based upon my earnings had I not left. These blank lines will give folks zero income so zero 401K deposits.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Won't apply to mil leave. I am on mil leave. That will cover me through the end of my leave and I will get 401K deposits when I leave based upon my earnings had I not left. These blank lines will give folks zero income so zero 401K deposits.

Agreed, and one of my first thoughts was they would have people knocking down the doors if they promised to pay a 55 hr SIL guarantee in to your retirement accounts. (IE your DC and 401K match based on 55 hrs at your contractual rate) Not sure we will get a lot of takers at a zero pay month. I would assume to keep the health insurance active you will need to cut checks like those on leave do.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree that once again, people are irked their input was not sought. I agree that this is an issue.

The only saving grace is that the NFL's are not mandatory.

 

[michael707767]

With the 88 getting fat staffed to prepare for a possible furlough? If so, I like this.

I would not say the 88 is being fat staffed. Accross the company, the 88 F/Os are only staffed about 30 more than the captains. And the captains certainly are not overstaffed. Last two trips I have flown have been with F/Os on greenslips. I don't see any fat staffing on the 88. Not yet anyway.

 

[Rebound]

Any guess as to how many surplus pilots DAL has now and do the figures include the surpluses that would be generated if the older DC-9's are parked? I have heard a wide range of numbers on the line.
Thanks

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would not say the 88 is being fat staffed. Accross the company, the 88 F/Os are only staffed about 30 more than the captains. And the captains certainly are not overstaffed. Last two trips I have flown have been with F/Os on greenslips. I don't see any fat staffing on the 88. Not yet anyway.

Michael, I was stating that maybe one of the other alternatives was to displace which would lead to fat staffing the 88. I agree the 88 is not fat staffed. Em boys are getting used.

Also FWIW, the 767B in ATL is actually been fairly thin this month too. I saw a few GS last weekend, and one inverse assignment. I think we may have a few tomorrow too!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Any guess as to how many surplus pilots DAL has now and do the figures include the surpluses that would be generated if the older DC-9's are parked? I have heard a wide range of numbers on the line.
Thanks

Simply put we are about 1200-1300 over for the winter. Even staffed for next summer to slightly short. (subject to change of course)

If they pare the 32 5500 block 757's, the 40 or so 30/40 series 9's we are looking at 72 jets at 10 bodies a aircraft that is 700 pilot conservatively. That also does not take in to consideration the new metal that is coming. (777's) 20 of those take care of the staffing issue, if they park all of those jets tomorrow. We are getting two late this year/ early next year.

I would not freak out at them parking these jets. The earliest I have heard that all of these would be gone is 18 months post SOC. That is a long time away an a lot needs to happen between now and then.
Also remember that our utilization of current jets is way down, and 40 or so 757/767's are in storage that are planned to start hitting the line again in a year or so. I would not be filling out apps quite yet. The economy will have to deflate more for that to be a concern. It may, but relax a little.

 

[Superpilot92]

ive heard more than a few guys in the crew room talking about how they like these no pay lines. Most say they want to use them to take december off for christmas holidays or to take a nice long vacation. if guys dont need the money then it would be a good reason to take the time off. For most though, we need to get paid.

ALOT more would take it if they did the 55 hours pay though.

 

[BRA]

Do pilots that fly the MD90's only fly the MD90's or do they mix them with the MD88's?

 

[Sedona16]

So let me get this straight....the company was allowed to carry out their already illegal increase of larger RJ's in exchange for promises on no furlough and flow back to compass. So we used negotiating capital on a no furlough provision and the company got what they wanted in the illegal RJ's. Now a year later pilots are not getting SILS pay because Moak and the gang agreed to time off NO PAY to "prevent furloughs because we are overstaffed"? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

At the end of the day, backroom dealing Lee Moak MUST GO! The way he operates is counter to everything a union was established to prevent/protect.

 

[another cfii]

Do pilots that fly the MD90's only fly the MD90's or do they mix them with the MD88's?

MD90 pilots that are based in SLC/CVG fly both MD88/MD90. Usually 1st leg out of base is MD90, and then fly the MD88 for a few days, and last leg back into base on the 90. Pay is couple bucks more than the 88 drivers.