Delta Hiring

[hockeypilot44]

So let me get this straight....the company was allowed to carry out their already illegal increase of larger RJ's in exchange for promises on no furlough and flow back to compass. So we used negotiating capital on a no furlough provision and the company got what they wanted in the illegal RJ's. Now a year later pilots are not getting SILS pay because Moak and the gang agreed to time off NO PAY to "prevent furloughs because we are overstaffed"? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

At the end of the day, backroom dealing Lee Moak MUST GO! The way he operates is counter to everything a union was established to prevent/protect.

You seem to have a good grasp on what's going on. Lee Moak is taking care of Lee Moak's retirement and future. He is next in line to become ALPA president and acts like every other previous ALPA president.

 

[JOPILOT]

F()ck Lee Moak

 

[ACL65PILOT]

F()ck Lee Moak

Joe, As much as people want to place the blame of all things DALPA on our Chairman, this was a vote of your reps.

If you want give me a call and I will explain some of the legitimate fears that DALPA has in regards to dual representation. I agree with the fears they have, and the reasoning behind them. It stinks that we could not eek some unity out of it. The communication of why is what lacks here.

I would have like to see some seniority numbers given out, but the company has to want to play ball, and currently they do not even want to get the balls out of the closet.

 

[FBN0223]

I would have like to see some seniority numbers given out, but the company has to want to play ball, and currently they do not even want to get the balls out of the closet.

That's correct. We'd all love to see Compass pilots on the Delta seniority list, but unfortunately, merely handing out seniority numbers does nothing for our scope. Compass would be dissolved, it's pilots furloughed and the 76-seat flying shifted to the lowest bidder. The company has to play ball, indeed. Next contract, maybe.

In the meantime, the best move is for Compass to get their own MEC and DALPA to represent ONLY Delta pilots.

 

[General Lee]

That is a shame. Well, if it is a conflict of interest, it is best to seperate the two and allow them to represent themselves.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, QUOTE]


Are you kidding me...is this what ALPA is about...fck them.

How about working with managemnt to make a profitable company....weird concept.

Better yet...fight your fight and win....burn the place down.....you win you win....wait your out of a job...but you won.....right?

 

[KCPilot]

One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, QUOTE]


Are you kidding me...is this what ALPA is about...fck them.

How about working with managemnt to make a profitable company....weird concept.

Better yet...fight your fight and win....burn the place down.....you win you win....wait your out of a job...but you won.....right?

Right on the money RedDog!

 

[3ds]

The pilot group is keeping track of all that they've 'given up' for this merger so that come contract negotiations, they better reap some benefits. Most guys can afford to sacrifice a little bit now for future returns.

 

[General Lee]

One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, QUOTE]


Are you kidding me...is this what ALPA is about...fck them.

How about working with managemnt to make a profitable company....weird concept.

Better yet...fight your fight and win....burn the place down.....you win you win....wait your out of a job...but you won.....right?

Hmmmm. Well, maybe you haven't been paying attention to what every other airline has been faced with in the last decade. It is called corporate greed, and your airline seems to be the ONLY one without it I guess. Good for you guys. When you have a BK judge helping with negotiations, it is tough. When management tells that judge "We can't sleep at night because we might not have taken enough away from the pilots", you just have to think "what are we going to do next time when contract negotiations come around?" Face it, we have different cultures, and we prepare differently. I think it is good we have some North guys on the MEC, to watch our Delta-S people and keep them in line. Our upcoming contract negoations will not be easy, but we will have to try to recoup as much as we can.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

That's correct. We'd all love to see Compass pilots on the Delta seniority list, but unfortunately, merely handing out seniority numbers does nothing for our scope. Compass would be dissolved, it's pilots furloughed and the 76-seat flying shifted to the lowest bidder. The company has to play ball, indeed. Next contract, maybe.

In the meantime, the best move is for Compass to get their own MEC and DALPA to represent ONLY Delta pilots.

I have heard that the MD-88 guys don't have it as good as the widebody guys. If some DAL pilots want the above for Compass, would it not make sense then, to split the MD-88/90/DC-9 guys off from DAL also and have a separate seniority list, MEC, and airline for them also?

I think, from a pilot career perspective, it would make the most sense to add Compass, Comair and Mesba to the DAL seniority list, make all their aircraft DAL aircraft, and not allow anyone to fly a "DAL" passenger other than a DAL pilot on a DAL airplane. But, I realize that this is easier said than done!!!

cliff
NBO

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Cliff,

Unfortunately, in our society, the fear of litigation takes precedence over all.

In my opinion, DALPA should be more concerned about a DFR lawsuit from within their own ranks than one originating from Compass.

 

[GogglesPisano]

One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, QUOTE]


Are you kidding me...is this what ALPA is about...fck them.

How about working with managemnt to make a profitable company....weird concept.

Better yet...fight your fight and win....burn the place down.....you win you win....wait your out of a job...but you won.....right?

The company would be really profitable if they cut our pay by half (again) and outsourced all flying below 150 seats. Go team!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I wanted to see this go differently and worked very hard on that March Resolution.

What the MEC sees is this: (IMHO)
CPS is a separate PWA, and their opener is in 2011 a year before ours. What would our MEC do or what would our pilots do if the CPS guys wanted more jets and our MEC was pushing management for that? Can't make both groups happy with that one.
What if we decided to take flying back , say the 175 from CPS. Would there not be a DFR issue with that?

I see their argument. I agree that there points should bring up concern.

I wanted them to be DAL pilots, but it ain't that easy. This issue is tied to many things.

IMHO no one wanted to open section six in this economy, that is what we would have had to do to get CPS on the list. The company would have wanted a major Quid Pro Quo. The MEC made their decision based on the facts as they saw them.

If you do not like it, tell your reps, and why. When you are done talking, listen to what they have to say about the issue, give their points some thoughts and then respond in kind.

I 100% agree that the best solution is for unity and that we had a real chance here to change the way we do business. I am sure that if CPS got on the list, that the two other WO carriers would have wanted that too, then the rest of the DCI carriers would have want a piece of the pie. The SKW pilots would have found intrinsic value in being a ALPA carrier and getting a seat at the table. This is still all very possible, the difference is that CPS will have their dedicated voice and we will work with their group very closely.

I encourage the CPS guys that want to keep the relationship with DALPA near and dear to run for these offices, because at the end of the day your flow and future at DAL may be in jeopardy from within if you do not protect it.

This is a set back, and far from the end of the fight guys. Make your feelings known, I cannot stress that enough.

 

[JOPILOT]

The problem with our reps is the majority get out of touch with flying the line and
the grind of every day operations. Lee Moak and the reps naturally become one and the same, hence we have no vote, other than a nomination for a guy that puts a note in my V-file that says he kissed a$$ for 3 years as an ALPA go-for and would love to kiss some more therefore elect him? That is about as much control as the line pilot has, no votes that matter just a chance to nominate someone they barely know. I am not sure what DALPA is? Other than a deduction on my paycheck.

 

[JOPILOT]

ACL, I know this all seems harsh and I do appreciate all your tid-bits! Although, the reality is that Non Flying Lines that seemingly have replaced SILS is just the final wax job on the furlough turd before we eat it. I would support a furlough ( I would get cut ) if it brought back some sort of control of scope and the end of ALPA negotiations that encouraged the outsourcing of DELTA flying to other airlines both Domestic and Abroad! JP

 

[jonjuan]

The problem with our reps is the majority get out of touch with flying the line and
the grind of every day operations. Lee Moak and the reps naturally become one and the same, hence we have no vote, other than a nomination for a guy that puts a note in my V-file that says he kissed a$$ for 3 years as an ALPA go-for and would love to kiss some more therefore elect him? That is about as much control as the line pilot has, no votes that matter just a chance to nominate someone they barely know. I am not sure what DALPA is? Other than a deduction on my paycheck.

Your summation sounds just like how the average American feels about Congress. I feel your pain.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

The problem with our reps is the majority get out of touch with flying the line and
the grind of every day operations.

Reps are line pilots that fly regular schedules just like you and me. Just wanted to clarify.

 

[cocknbull]

Reps are line pilots that fly regular schedules just like you and me. Just wanted to clarify.

Yes, but every time I'm scheduled to fly with one my dues pay for them to drop the trip?

 

[JOPILOT]

Yes, but every time I'm scheduled to fly with one my dues pay for them to drop the trip?

The last four trips that I have been scheduled to fly with our LEC have been given to a reserve pilot. I know they are supposed to fly the line, but with overstaffing and the amount of pole smoking that Lee Moak requires our reps to perform keeps them to busy to fly JP

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The problem with our reps is the majority get out of touch with flying the line and
the grind of every day operations. Lee Moak and the reps naturally become one and the same, hence we have no vote, other than a nomination for a guy that puts a note in my V-file that says he kissed a$$ for 3 years as an ALPA go-for and would love to kiss some more therefore elect him? That is about as much control as the line pilot has, no votes that matter just a chance to nominate someone they barely know. I am not sure what DALPA is? Other than a deduction on my paycheck.

Joe, this is cliche, but get involved on some level and see what goes on. I agree that there needs to be more back and forth between the line due paying pilots and the representation. To sit there and think that they are drinking beer and having trips bought from them with your dollars is crap. Even I who do not like the some of the actions disagree with your statement.