Delta Hiring

[asadonkey]

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As for the new limitations, I do not think it will effect DAL staffing as much as some hope. We have good work rules etc, and I would not be surprised to see the law mirror our contract.[/QUOTE]

Good work (ie rest/duty) rules ? Are you on crack?
Oh yeah you don't fly the mad dog and are running for ALPA rep
nevermind.........

 

[ACL65PILOT]

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As for the new limitations, I do not think it will effect DAL staffing as much as some hope. We have good work rules etc, and I would not be surprised to see the law mirror our contract.

Good work (ie rest/duty) rules ? Are you on crack?
Oh yeah you don't fly the mad dog and are running for ALPA rep
nevermind.........[/QUOTE]


I said as a whole airline.

These new rules are going to be close to what we have. Maybe a 12 hr max duty day. DAl has fairly progressive rest rules to a point. Our company acknowledges the Circadian Rhythms with limits on our max duty days. This is more than many airlines have. I do not expect these new regulations to solve all of the woes of our rest and hours of service.

I agree that we need to get rid of the nine hour overnights, and limit the max day down further, but the fact is that DAL can do this if they are part of the new regulations quite easily.
What they will do is tinker with the trip construction parameters. You will see more 12 hr overnight and a lot less 16+ hr overnights. You will have more duty periods if needed to get to the ALV window, but the fact is that you will be flying just as much. It will just be less per day or with shorter long overnights, or the same per day with less sits and shorter longer overnights. I do not see an huge increase of staffing here at DAL because of this.

Think of how many sits you have in hotels that could be reduced so that both or all three AM report overnights get 12 hrs none get nine and the staffing requirement does not change. We may need a few bodies from this but not the amount that places like the regionals will need.

Do you remember the crud you worked under at ASA? This is light years a head of it. I am not saying that there does not need to be improvement, I am saying that what we have passes the sniff test for the Feds. The only two areas I see us getting dinged in are the nine hr( eight hr behind the door) overnights and needed augmentation on any flight that crosses more than four or five time zones. (IE the short flying to Western Europe that is currently two man crews)

 

[asadonkey]

Some of the ASA work rules regarding reduced rest/ rescheduling etc are BETTER than DL has now. But the wide-body flying club ( member?)
does not and has not pushed for any real improvements.
Sad.....but out of sight, out of mind for non-md88 drivers.
Who gives a damn what the feds might do, how about getting DL IROPS and reroute rules up to ASA's level?

 

[lowlycfi]

I'll probably piss off some compass guys and gals with this question. But here it goes...

I've always wondered the future of compass since it's restricted to 36 aircraft. Does this limit apply to all aircraft types or just the E175?

I think everyone would agree as a company grows older it's cost to operate usually increase. One big reason is salaries. And to offset this companies usually grow.

MEM and DTW are such small bases I have to question if they're even efficient to keep around in the future.

Just curious if anyone else has thought about this. I honestly don't know if compass is making tons of money or not. And if they have future plans or not.

Let's hope that Compass doesn't grow. Compass (or any regional for that matter) getting more airplanes and growing is bad for all of us in the long run. Also, for the record I'm in favor of us staying part of the DAL MEC and the flow up/down (remember we still have 3 NWA furloghees on property here) staying in place.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Some of the ASA work rules regarding reduced rest/ rescheduling etc are BETTER than DL has now. But the wide-body flying club ( member?)
does not and has not pushed for any real improvements.
Sad.....but out of sight, out of mind for non-md88 drivers.
Who gives a damn what the feds might do, how about getting DL IROPS and reroute rules up to ASA's level?

I think that all of us want improvements on 23K and section 23 as a whole. Many of us are working on low and no cost items that we will push for from the get go.

 

[NuGuy]

Tell that to the Delta guys; rumor has it Compass will be spun off in the October Delta MEC meeting.

If the slight majority gets its way, then the break will be public and messy. LM needs to show he's in control, and I don't see this as a unanimous vote no matter how much he pleads.

Nu

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Some of the ASA work rules regarding reduced rest/ rescheduling etc are BETTER than DL has now. But the wide-body flying club ( member?)
does not and has not pushed for any real improvements.
Sad.....but out of sight, out of mind for non-md88 drivers.
Who gives a damn what the feds might do, how about getting DL IROPS and reroute rules up to ASA's level?

Are you serious? Everyday is an IROP at ASA. Their SOC is rediculously horrible.... Just take a stroll down C and D concourse one day. Every announcement starts with "sorry for the delay."

 

[GogglesPisano]

Granted only the first 360 furloughed Delta pilots will actually have a job, and only 180 of them will make more than unemployment wages.

In theory, according to seniority, the last 360 furloughed Delta pilots will actually have a job.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If the slight majority gets its way, then the break will be public and messy. LM needs to show he's in control, and I don't see this as a unanimous vote no matter how much he pleads.

Nu

We will find out shortly.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

LOA#18 has been posted. Go read it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you serious? Everyday is an IROP at ASA. Their SOC is rediculously horrible.... Just take a stroll down C and D concourse one day. Every announcement starts with "sorry for the delay."

First off, he was talking about the scheduling rules.

As far as walking down C and D concourse, you do realize that most of our ops are done by Delta. Delta runs the gates. Delta runs the ramp. Delta outsources the fuel. Delta has also set the block times that aren't realistic. ASA is going to take the block time scheduling back.

 

[asadonkey]

Are you serious? Everyday is an IROP at ASA. Their SOC is rediculously horrible.... Just take a stroll down C and D concourse one day. Every announcement starts with "sorry for the delay."

Read the posts francis! DL can scream IROPS!!!! for anything and everything. Read the definition and list of things for which they can reschedule i.e. screw you. It is scary to think DALPA actually said yes to this kinda crap. Oh and forget premium pay for that 1158 PM reschedule due to a duck fart across the country, it ain't comin. ASA contract mucho better in areas, and its time the union does something about it.
The wide body flying club doesn't get nailed by it much, so basically you have these guys bragging about DL's work rules which is laughable. Many holes in the boat.

 

[Quack]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the only way compass can grow is if mainline allows it to by giving up more scope? I thought the maximum number of 76 seaters has been hit (or exceeded) and the only growth would come in the form of relaxing the scope language? As many have stated, the overwhelming majority of compass pilots do not want the flow to go away, and would rather stay under the wing of the mainline than go at it alone. Again, if we continue to break apart at the seams, it gives mgmt another tool in the chest to use against ALL of us.

 

[lowlycfi]

That was my point exactly. Well put.

 

[jetjockey#1]

LOA#18 has been posted. Go read it.

Is it me? or we just gave company relief on SILs. Am I reading that the new SIL is a month off for NO PAY!, what about the "old SILs". Not surprised Moak caved, but what did we get in exchange?

SIL is one of the best deals DAL has, or had I guess. 55 hours a month and take the month off. I really hope it doesn't go away, but I did find it kind of odd that there were no SILs at all the last two months. it sounds like there have been some back room deals going on for a few months.....