Delta Hiring

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Well we're parking 80 of NWA's old jets. We've had a lot of guys leave from NWA (600 in 2 years) and will have a lot more leave but it will probably be at least another year or two to make up for 80 jets worth of flying.

 

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BTW- Trollish title for a thread.

 

[FBN0223]

BTW- Trollish title for a thread.

Ok, how about "Does anyone care to speculate WHEN Delta Airlines, Inc. might resume hiring."

Pretty obvious that we are not hiring now.

 

[Whydoitry]

The flow thru at CAL had nothing to do with the single MEC. The flow thru ended when ExpressJet was IPO'd. The problem with the flow thru was that Express pilots went to CAL 1/3 but CAL pilots went to Express 1/1. There was an attempt to fix that and had it been realized every single Express pilot on property in 2004 would have been at CAL within 10yrs. Elimination of the agreement allowed CAL to hire using the good ol' boy way.
Splitting of the MEC came later, and was a stupid idea that was supported by the CAL scab reps. One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, by splitting the MEC into two groups you work counter to that idea, and make management very happy.

 

[mynameisjim]

The flow thru at CAL had nothing to do with the single MEC. The flow thru ended when ExpressJet was IPO'd. The problem with the flow thru was that Express pilots went to CAL 1/3 but CAL pilots went to Express 1/1. There was an attempt to fix that and had it been realized every single Express pilot on property in 2004 would have been at CAL within 10yrs. Elimination of the agreement allowed CAL to hire using the good ol' boy way.
Splitting of the MEC came later, and was a stupid idea that was supported by the CAL scab reps. One reason to have a union is to unify a group of workers against management, by splitting the MEC into two groups you work counter to that idea, and make management very happy.

Tell that to the Delta guys; rumor has it Compass will be spun off in the October Delta MEC meeting.

 

[nwaredtail]

Hi!

I think that with the economy, DAL's position, and the changing FARs, that DAL will start hiring in 6-14 or so months.

cliff
NBO

Way off, 3 -5 years, maybe

 

[DrewBlows]

I'll probably piss off some compass guys and gals with this question. But here it goes...

I've always wondered the future of compass since it's restricted to 36 aircraft. Does this limit apply to all aircraft types or just the E175?

I personally don't see a long term future for Compass, but then, I don't see a long term future for any regional airline...or most major airlines for that matter. Tough business...

I think everyone would agree as a company grows older it's cost to operate usually increase. One big reason is salaries. And to offset this companies usually grow.

If pilots flow, salaries stay low. Compass is set up so there should be relatively few senior pilots. If flow goes away this dynamic would change.

MEM and DTW are such small bases I have to question if they're even efficient to keep around in the future.

Bases come and go, no one can see the future. ATL and NY are future possibilities, but that is pure speculation.

Just curious if anyone else has thought about this. I honestly don't know if compass is making tons of money or not. And if they have future plans or not.

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[DrewBlows]

If Compass were to form their own MEC, and the flow-up agreement was negated, does that not mean the flow-down agreement is also negated?

This is the first I have heard of this issue. If this in the cards, I would hope that the flow-back agreement would stay in place. That was one of the negotiating points the NWA pilots obtained when the Compass brand was formed.

I know I don't need to explain how important this flow-up / flow-down agreement is to the Delta pilots right now. Without it, Delta could furlough and leave the junior, furloughed pilots without a job. I wouldn't be too sure about Compass terminating the agreement.

Simply put, I don't think they have a legal basis to do so. It is part of our Pilot Working Agreement (PWA)

Any one else that can speak to this?

Without flow up there is no flow down. That said, a huge majority of Compass pilots want to keep status quo on flow. I have yet to meet a Compass pilot who doesn't want to keep flow in place. A large majority would also like to stay part of the Delta MEC. The movement to kick us out comes from Lee Moak and, I'm guessing, ALPA lawyers.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Tell that to the Delta guys; rumor has it Compass will be spun off in the October Delta MEC meeting.

We will see. There have been some very strong arguments made to the powers that be on this one.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If DAL does in fact park the 80 or so rumored airframes in the next 18 months we will not be hiring. (742, DC-9 30-40's, and the NWA 5500 series 757's) I would not be surprised to see these jets go. There will be replacements of some of these jets, and some of those jets are sitting in the desert. Some are not yet made.

As for the new limitations, I do not think it will effect DAL staffing as much as some hope. We have good work rules etc, and I would not be surprised to see the law mirror our contract.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Without flow up there is no flow down. That said, a huge majority of Compass pilots want to keep status quo on flow. I have yet to meet a Compass pilot who doesn't want to keep flow in place. A large majority would also like to stay part of the Delta MEC. The movement to kick us out comes from Lee Moak and, I'm guessing, ALPA lawyers.

The flow survives a sale of the airline. If that flow becomes null there are some poison pills as well. Reference NWA LOA 2006-10 and 12. as well as the JPWA.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Also, the thrust behind the separate MEC for CPS is not Lee. It is the issues that many see with representing them.

I do not agree with them, but it is not a hate driven issue.

 

[Superpilot92]

The flow survives a sale of the airline. If that flow becomes null there are some poison pills as well. Reference NWA LOA 2006-10 and 12. as well as the JPWA.

Exactly, the CPZ flow is written totally different than the COEX flow agreement. If CPZ is sold the flow goes with it.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"...I would not be surprised to see these jets go. There will be replacements of some of these jets, and some of those jets are sitting in the desert. Some are not yet made."


How does one do that? Park an unmade jet, I mean.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

"...I would not be surprised to see these jets go. There will be replacements of some of these jets, and some of those jets are sitting in the desert. Some are not yet made."


How does one do that? Park an unmade jet, I mean.

Not park a unmade jet, but produce a jet for a jet that will be parked.