Delta Connection EMB175s

[SpauldingSmails]

Compass also had I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 options.
In last weeks AVweek and Space Tech an article about Embraer mentions someone with 18 options had canceles all 18 of those. Not sure if this is Compass's former allotment or not. Just food for thought on more E175's at Delta C carriers.

The options were for 36 further airframes, and were Northwest's. I believe that Delta Connection is at the cap for 76 seaters, and I've heard the numbers on the E190/195 were not as attractive as DAL would like (per Bill Lentsch, NW FLOPS VP). I'd imagine the options will not be exercised anytime soon.

 

[mynameisjim]

I can't imagine anyone ever canceling options. They have no commitment or cost. Sell them, maybe. But just cancel?

 

[FBN0223]

No
CPS has a few more planes that need to be delivered.
76 seat A/C. 153 for now up to a total of 255.

So DL can place at least 153 76 seat jets on-line under the DL brand, flying DL routes by non-Delta pilots. Our ALPA dues at work.

Thanks ACL for all the info.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Thats exactly why we were in the stapling fight to bring CPZ on board. And our own union isnt for it. I am still dumbfounded by the convo with Lee.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is part of the JPWA.

As listed in the Contract Awareness above, we need 768 mainline jets before the 154th 76 RJ is put in service in Delta colors.
Now of bigger note is this. There are about 223 70 and 76 seat jets flying around in the Delta colors today. The max cap on this size of jet is 255. In effect 32 more 70 or 76 seat jets can be bought and put into service currently. Now as mainline grows they can replace the 70 seaters with the 76 seat variants. (see above for the sliding scale)
Even though the 76 seat jet offers two class service, the ROI on trading in a 70 seat jet is hard to quantify. The aircraft makers would have to offer really good terms to make it cost advantageous for Delta to do this. Six seat, even premium seats is a lot to bite off for a new aircraft lease after these 32 are bought. (we would need 779 mainline jets on the property as DCI took delivery of the 255th 70/76seat jet if the remaining jets delivered were the 76 seat variant)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Thats exactly why we were in the stapling fight to bring CPZ on board. And our own union isnt for it. I am dumbfounded by the convo with Lee.

I agree.

We need to remember that we need to write our reps about our feeling and opinions about the Compass issue. This issue is not dead. Far from it.
It has been quiet lately so that we are all not dead tired of it come the next LEC and MEC meetings. Remain ever vigilant on this!

 

[Browntothebone]

Thats exactly why we were in the stapling fight to bring CPZ on board. And our own union isnt for it. I am still dumbfounded by the convo with Lee.

Why would Delta want to staple RJ pilots to their list? The lists should be kept separate so it is clear what is mainline and what is regional.

Military pilots will not stand for starting off their career at a legacy by having to fly an RJ and be junior to hundreds of regional pilots when the military pilots were risking their lives for our country. They deserve to go straight to a legacy and start off in a mainline jet no smaller than a 737 or MD-80. Anything smaller, like the ERJ 170-190 is cleary an RJ and should be flown by the regionals.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Why would Delta want to staple RJ pilots to their list? The lists should be kept separate so it is clear what is mainline and what is regional.

Military pilots will not stand for starting off their career at a legacy by having to fly an RJ and be junior to hundreds of regional pilots when the military pilots were risking their lives for our country. They deserve to go straight to a legacy and start off in a mainline jet no smaller than a 737 or MD-80. Anything smaller, like the ERJ 170-190 is cleary an RJ and should be flown by the regionals.

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Keep flaming away buddy!

I fly heavy metal and would be quite happy to see these jets on the mainline list.

 

[General Lee]

Why would Delta want to staple RJ pilots to their list? The lists should be kept separate so it is clear what is mainline and what is regional.

Military pilots will not stand for starting off their career at a legacy by having to fly an RJ and be junior to hundreds of regional pilots when the military pilots were risking their lives for our country. They deserve to go straight to a legacy and start off in a mainline jet no smaller than a 737 or MD-80. Anything smaller, like the ERJ 170-190 is cleary an RJ and should be flown by the regionals.

Air Canada guys start at the E175 level, and used to have 50 seat CRJs. Virgin Blue has E175s in Australia. I think we should slowly dump the regional carriers with E175s and CR9s, and fly that stuff ourselves. If someone wants to fly Saabs or Dash's for us, then we can contract them. We have pay rates for 76 seat types (anything more than 76 seats has to be flown by us anyway)--like the CR9 and E175 I believe. But hey, your flames sure are funny. Keep it up, and try out at the Laugh Barn in Marrietta on Thursday nights.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

Starting out as a new-hire on the EMB175, would be one heck of a lot nicer than the DC-9, IMHO. Hence my frustration with our ALPA leadership.

Continually chopping off the bottom half of our airline and allowing it to be outsourced, cannot be a formula for long term vitality. Eventually, the brand dies.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Starting out as a new-hire on the EMB175, would be one heck of a lot nicer than the DC-9, IMHO. Hence my frustration with our ALPA leadership.

Continually chopping off the bottom half of our airline and allowing it to be outsourced, cannot be a formula for long term vitality. Eventually, the brand dies.

Well grassroots efforts have proven successful before.........

 

[embraerjetpilot]

you guys let that cat out of the bag...i wished you hadn't.

 

[Fly4hire]

Military pilots will not stand for starting off their career at a legacy by having to fly an RJ and be junior to hundreds of regional pilots when the military pilots were risking their lives for our country. They deserve to go straight to a legacy and start off in a mainline jet no smaller than a 737 or MD-80.

I don't usually bite at flame bait but... And I'm sure Military pilots who will not stand for this indignity can realize their rightful place in the civilian world selling insurance. I'm sure they can even get name plate for their desk that says Col. or "call me Sir" Something tells me DAL will not have any problem attracting qualified candidates willing to fly a E175 as the entry. I'm sure there will be many military pilots among them.

 

[Ridgeback]

Air Canada guys start at the E175 level, and used to have 50 seat CRJs. Virgin Blue has E175s in Australia. I think we should slowly dump the regional carriers with E175s and CR9s, and fly that stuff ourselves. If someone wants to fly Saabs or Dash's for us, then we can contract them. We have pay rates for 76 seat types (anything more than 76 seats has to be flown by us anyway)--like the CR9 and E175 I believe. But hey, your flames sure are funny. Keep it up, and try out at the Laugh Barn in Marrietta on Thursday nights.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Amazing!! I've been reading about this issue for months now and this post pretty much sums of the ignorance of someone flying "HEAVY" metal. Most are of the opinion that the E175 somehow should be on the DL property before the CRJ 900. Yet the 900 generates more profit than a E175...Reference Fuel burn, MX...total trip cost. So ask yourself which of the two is more of the threat? But here is the real issue and where the PRIDE of mainline pilots frustrate me. Has ANYONE (mainline pilot) noticed what is going on with the Q400X and ATR 72-600? These are going to 90 seat turboprobs with speed and range that makes flying your "Heavy" metal on stage lenghts of 400 miles or less MUCH MUCH more expensive than a E175-900-737-take your pick. So my question to you is what is your scope on turboprop aircraft??

So, until you...the mainline pilot that constanly fears loosing your job to the meazly regional pilot realizes that MGT will always find a way around your scope, you are regulated to complaining.

Since derugulation your pride has been and will be your demize. You'll always alow a little bigger, a little more, and a little faster aircraft on YOUR property, because as long as YOUR job is preceived to be safe you'll sell out the same people you complain are threating your jobs. Funny these are the pilots that have been supplimenting your pay for years...to quote Jack nickolis in a Few Good Men..."I'd just rather you say Thank You...." But let me guess THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT??

I'll tell you what, when ??? regional airline pulls up next to you in a DL Q400X please don't complain, please don't feel threatened...after all I'm sure his penis is much smaller than yours...after all he is only a regional pilot...

I look forward to the day when YOUR pilot group decides to demand and do what it takes to get ALL BRAND FLYING under your list from your fellow union members....

 

[kf4amu]

Starting out as a new-hire on the EMB175, would be one heck of a lot nicer than the DC-9,

No thanks. Give me a DC-9 for mainline pay any day over a new shiny pushbutton jet for 23 bucks an hour.