Delta Announces Hiring 2014

[bluesideup1]

Followed by SWAPA. Yes, it's a B Scale.




Andy said he'd cut me in if I posted this.

A contract with a pay rates you negotiated and signed between you and airtran that gave you substantial pay raises that had nothing to do with SWAPA is now a B scale?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Followed by SWAPA. Yes, it's a B Scale.




Andy said he'd cut me in if I posted this.

Sorry, as much as I sympathize with some of the stuff you guys have been through, this is crap. SWAPA has always had, and still has, one payscale. SWAPA negotiated it, and every single SWAPA pilot gets to enjoy it.

AirTran ALPA has another payscale, which they negotiated. Whether they enjoy it or not is up to them. When AirTran pilots stop being AirTran pilots and become Southwest pilots, then they'll be members of SWAPA flying for Southwest, and get SWAPA-negotiated rates.

It's pretty simple, really.

Tell me, Dicko, why exactly do you think that AirTran pilots should get payrates above what they negotiated? Just because? Pilots still at AirTran are still flying AirTran planes, routes, and less-efficient schedules that won't support being paid SWAPA rates. You've even got pilots on this forum bragging about their long layovers and short, always-commutable workdays, and how they don't want to "work as hard" as Southwest pilots. But you still want the higher pay for not doing the work? Tell me how you can justify this. Seriously.

You get paid what you negotiated for. But now you want to get paid what somebody ELSE negotiated for, even though you're not doing their job. That's rich.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Sorry to get off track on the Delta thread.

I think it's great that you're hiring sooner rather than later. I keep hearing rumors about Southwest hiring this year, but so far it's just unsubstantiated gossip. However, generally speaking, when one airline is hiring, it's generally a good thing for the entire industry. Congrats.

Bubba

 

[Scoot 11]

The regional carriers had too much say in Delta's latest pilot working agreement. .

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Is this what the DPA is selling these days? I'm sure whatever you're smoking isn't legal.

 

[dicko]

A contract with a pay rates you negotiated and signed between you and airtran that gave you substantial pay raises that had nothing to do with SWAPA is now a B scale?

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

In exchange, you were given something. Perhaps SWA pilots need to take a little break from harassing Delta pilots for doing the same thing. At least they're hiring .....

 

[donvag]

Or you can have a "Direct Relationship" like jetblue pilots!

 

[SWA Bubba]

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

In exchange, you were given something. Perhaps SWA pilots need to take a little break from harassing Delta pilots for doing the same thing. At least they're hiring .....

Nice dodge.

The two pilots are NOT flying for the same company: One flies for Southwest, and works longer and more efficiently. The other flies for AirTran, and gets to enjoy commutable, easy trips with long layovers. The fact that the two different companies have the same owner is immaterial.

And they're not the same planes. They're the same TYPE of planes (and then only as far as the 737s go), but they're painted differently, they're operated under different rules, different schedules, and the ones that say AirTran on them don't bring in as much revenue per plane per day. The 717s are even more of a drag on revenue per plane per day, costing the same to operate, but carrying fewer passengers.

Outsourcing? Again, nope. SWAPA has never allowed that. We have the strongest scope clause in the industry, bar none. As soon as the acquisition was done, the RJ feed that ALPA had allowed at AirTran was discontinued (that's what actual outsourcing looks like, by the way ), and every month AirTran flying goes down while Southwest flying goes up. We didn't give away or sell any of OUR flying; we just couldn't assimilate all of yours instantaneously.

What SWAPA allowed was a temporary relief from the contract in order to assimilate AirTran. That relief expires at the end of 2014. It was allowed solely because the company had made a business decision to buy another airline, and in theory, it will make Southwest and SWAPA pilots stronger for it.

Like I said, I get why you're pissed. I really do. But you're turning into one of those exaggerating knuckleheads who do things like claiming another holocaust or genocide just to bring attention to their cause, because nobody would listen otherwise. In your case, all you do is do a disservice to legitimate criticisms of REAL outsourcing or B scales, and, of course, make yourself look silly. Geez, you're starting to sound like General Lee already.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Again, I apologize for the diversion in the thread. Back to Delta's hiring! Bring it on!

Bubba

 

[Flybywire44]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Is this what the DPA is selling these days? I'm sure whatever you're smoking isn't legal.

Denial is the first step.

 

[Scoot 11]

Denial is the first step.

And fortunately for you dolts, it ain't just a river in Egypt. Keep trying junior.

 

[Networ-King]

You guys are f%*king pathetic...... you take any and every thread and just turn it into sh!t because your peckers always has to be the biggest. The industry has finally turned a corner from the replacement jets era and Delta announces the start of, probably a huge hiring boom, and all you freaking people do is derail the thread and sh!t on it. Now I know why I stopped coming to this stupid site........

I'll try to bring this thread back to topic again for those that need good info and have to make an educated decision:

I got a message from Lynn Ivy today about a class date and I believe they start on November 4th. I believe it's going to start with 50 and go from there. Did anyone on bypass talk to her and get the details? I've called most of my buds over there and also ones that are still on bypass, either in the military or here at UPS. Doesn't look like too many people are going back from big brown.....actually.... not even one said they would as of yet. Any info would be greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Net

 

[texman]

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

In exchange, you were given something. Perhaps SWA pilots need to take a little break from harassing Delta pilots for doing the same thing. At least they're hiring .....

NO NO NO my friend AT does not work for Southwest Airlines, it works for and owned by Southwest Holdings.

 

[vixin]

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

I got it now. You must mean the RSW FO pilots that now have the transitioned FATS making more then them. See it's the RSW FO's that are on the B scale. They are the ones that have a pilot working for the same company,in the same seat, doing the same flying, that are JR to them making a higher rate.

 

[$$$4nothin]

The internal JetBlue board is showing quite a few guys that got the recall for a November 4th class. Looks like JetBlue will without a doubt lose a hand full or so to Big D in Nov. From the numbers I have heard we have about 40 with recall rights to Delta here at JB. I imagine 75% of those will go back eventually. I think we are losing at least 2 from the school house in MCO so there may be some instructor positions open at JB in the near future

 

[Andy]

You guys are f%*king pathetic...... you take any and every thread and just turn it into sh!t because your peckers always has to be the biggest. The industry has finally turned a corner from the replacement jets era and Delta announces the start of, probably a huge hiring boom, and all you freaking people do is derail the thread and sh!t on it. Now I know why I stopped coming to this stupid site........

+1. This thread started with great news. Unfortunately, factions at not one but two different airlines have chosen to use this thread for a food fight.
Maybe I can get some LUAL and LCAL brothers to start a food fight here to make it three different airlines?