Delta Announces Hiring 2014

[filejw]

This is good news. Hopefully, Delta takes some current and qualified AirTran folks that want to be there.

With all the DCI commitments, recalls and off military LOA I wouldn't count on many off street hires.

 

[Andy]

Nice timing. Okay, I just mailed them.

I'll be checking my mailbox daily. :laugh:

 

[Lucky Strike]

I was told personally less than 2 months ago in the school house by an instructor that we'd hire 60 per month for first 6 months, then 40 per month 'til end of year...indefinitely...starting Jan 2014. He was reading from notes taken at an instructors meeting. What happened between now and then? Another JV...that's what!!!:angryfire

I don't know about the other 202 pilots, but I know I'll be looking at it long and hard and find out where I'll fall in the Delta seniority. I know that I'll hate to pay ALPO another freaking dime, but it is what it is. Last person I talked to, in the know, about Delta and hiring said that once Delta starts to hire it will be 60 a month indefinitely. That doesn't seem to be the case in that news letter. Any chance of coming on board and then taking a LOA for a year?

Net

 

[Flybywire44]

CLOWN! Good luck with your windmill chase.

This is probably not your most intellectual post.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So what's the alternative? A group saying "we can do better" isn't hearts and minds of the majority....

Anything??

 

[Flybywire44]

So what's the alternative? A group saying "we can do better" isn't hearts and minds of the majority....

Anything??

One alternative would be posting more intelligible thoughts.

APA isn't ALPA and seems to be standing well on its own. Their dues are only 1%.

The regional carriers had too much say in Delta's latest pilot working agreement. The ALPA duel conflict of interest between majors and regionals is a problem.

 

[tailhookah]

One alternative would be posting more intelligible thoughts.

APA isn't ALPA and seems to be standing well on its own. Their dues are only 1%.

The regional carriers had too much say in Delta's latest pilot working agreement. The ALPA duel conflict of interest between majors and regionals is a problem.

Yeah right. How's that apa contract compare to delta's alpa contract. Oh and I still see a million eagle emb's and now crj's flying around.

Tail

 

[Flybywire44]

Yeah right. How's that apa contract compare to delta's alpa contract. Oh and I still see a million eagle emb's and now crj's flying around.

Tail

You're comparing apples to oranges. Delta declared bankruptcy in 2005 and merged in 2008. American is still in bankruptcy and has yet to merge. Contracts that unions can negotiate are largely dictated by the status and health of the company and not a direct reflection of union muscle. APA will have the average of DAL & UAL pay rates by 2016.

The APA pilot union is amazingly strong and unified on its own. They are the only pilot group to have ever turned down a forced bankruptcy contract and get a better agreement. APA pilot scope was expanded to match Delta scope liberalization...where one goes the rest will follow, which is why it is important to remove ALPA national's conflict of interest.

"AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL" signs the pilot contracts at United and Delta. ALPA National is liable for damages brought to the regional pilot unions they represent, which is why regional pilot unions were party to UAL and DAL contract negotiations.

 

[kwick]

You may consider signing a DPA membership card to lower your dues.

http://deltapilotsassociation.org/
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You might want to do a little research.

APA brought us the "B-Scale."

They are also the hippocrites that proclaimed that the age 60 rule
was a "safety issue?" and, yet they are flying past age 60 after the rule change!

Any pilot that intentionally acts in a manner that they believe to be unsafe should have their licenses pulled.

 

[dicko]

APA brought us the "B-Scale."

Followed by SWAPA. Yes, it's a B Scale.




Andy said he'd cut me in if I posted this.

 

[bluesideup1]

Followed by SWAPA. Yes, it's a B Scale.




Andy said he'd cut me in if I posted this.

A contract with a pay rates you negotiated and signed between you and airtran that gave you substantial pay raises that had nothing to do with SWAPA is now a B scale?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Followed by SWAPA. Yes, it's a B Scale.




Andy said he'd cut me in if I posted this.

Sorry, as much as I sympathize with some of the stuff you guys have been through, this is crap. SWAPA has always had, and still has, one payscale. SWAPA negotiated it, and every single SWAPA pilot gets to enjoy it.

AirTran ALPA has another payscale, which they negotiated. Whether they enjoy it or not is up to them. When AirTran pilots stop being AirTran pilots and become Southwest pilots, then they'll be members of SWAPA flying for Southwest, and get SWAPA-negotiated rates.

It's pretty simple, really.

Tell me, Dicko, why exactly do you think that AirTran pilots should get payrates above what they negotiated? Just because? Pilots still at AirTran are still flying AirTran planes, routes, and less-efficient schedules that won't support being paid SWAPA rates. You've even got pilots on this forum bragging about their long layovers and short, always-commutable workdays, and how they don't want to "work as hard" as Southwest pilots. But you still want the higher pay for not doing the work? Tell me how you can justify this. Seriously.

You get paid what you negotiated for. But now you want to get paid what somebody ELSE negotiated for, even though you're not doing their job. That's rich.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Sorry to get off track on the Delta thread.

I think it's great that you're hiring sooner rather than later. I keep hearing rumors about Southwest hiring this year, but so far it's just unsubstantiated gossip. However, generally speaking, when one airline is hiring, it's generally a good thing for the entire industry. Congrats.

Bubba

 

[Scoot 11]

The regional carriers had too much say in Delta's latest pilot working agreement. .

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Is this what the DPA is selling these days? I'm sure whatever you're smoking isn't legal.

 

[dicko]

A contract with a pay rates you negotiated and signed between you and airtran that gave you substantial pay raises that had nothing to do with SWAPA is now a B scale?

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

In exchange, you were given something. Perhaps SWA pilots need to take a little break from harassing Delta pilots for doing the same thing. At least they're hiring .....

 

[donvag]

Or you can have a "Direct Relationship" like jetblue pilots!

 

[SWA Bubba]

It's a B Scale by definition. Two pilots working for the same company, flying the same aircraft that are payed differently. Or did you outsource your flying to a different company with lower wages ? It's pretty simple. You did both.

In exchange, you were given something. Perhaps SWA pilots need to take a little break from harassing Delta pilots for doing the same thing. At least they're hiring .....

Nice dodge.

The two pilots are NOT flying for the same company: One flies for Southwest, and works longer and more efficiently. The other flies for AirTran, and gets to enjoy commutable, easy trips with long layovers. The fact that the two different companies have the same owner is immaterial.

And they're not the same planes. They're the same TYPE of planes (and then only as far as the 737s go), but they're painted differently, they're operated under different rules, different schedules, and the ones that say AirTran on them don't bring in as much revenue per plane per day. The 717s are even more of a drag on revenue per plane per day, costing the same to operate, but carrying fewer passengers.

Outsourcing? Again, nope. SWAPA has never allowed that. We have the strongest scope clause in the industry, bar none. As soon as the acquisition was done, the RJ feed that ALPA had allowed at AirTran was discontinued (that's what actual outsourcing looks like, by the way ), and every month AirTran flying goes down while Southwest flying goes up. We didn't give away or sell any of OUR flying; we just couldn't assimilate all of yours instantaneously.

What SWAPA allowed was a temporary relief from the contract in order to assimilate AirTran. That relief expires at the end of 2014. It was allowed solely because the company had made a business decision to buy another airline, and in theory, it will make Southwest and SWAPA pilots stronger for it.

Like I said, I get why you're pissed. I really do. But you're turning into one of those exaggerating knuckleheads who do things like claiming another holocaust or genocide just to bring attention to their cause, because nobody would listen otherwise. In your case, all you do is do a disservice to legitimate criticisms of REAL outsourcing or B scales, and, of course, make yourself look silly. Geez, you're starting to sound like General Lee already.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Again, I apologize for the diversion in the thread. Back to Delta's hiring! Bring it on!

Bubba

 

[Flybywire44]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Is this what the DPA is selling these days? I'm sure whatever you're smoking isn't legal.

Denial is the first step.

 

[Scoot 11]

Denial is the first step.

And fortunately for you dolts, it ain't just a river in Egypt. Keep trying junior.