Delta Air Lines 7/02/07 Class Breakdown

[michael707767]

Comair did as well as the Air Force in this batch and better than the Navy and Marines. Give it a rest.

Air Force, Navy and Marine pilots are not being hired in large numbers because they are not applying in large numbers. Further, many of those who have applied are not yet available.

 

[spongebob]

And there you have it - it isn't.

Management hires the pilots and cares not a whit about an internal union dispute.

And Comair pilots aren't concerned at all about the intimidation tactics and empty threats of the ignorant, backwater forum bullies who brandish their manhood here.

Do you mean brandish their manhood like making up an identity full of bull or do mean more like talking out their rear about things they know little about but like to rant anyway?

Why don't you get back into the cockpit of your mighty C-150 and learn a bit more about a profession you seem to like to comment on.

You want to know more about petty behavior, look no further than accross the river at your Comair buddies and how they wanted to get in at Delta via a lawsuit.

SB

 

[737 Pylt]

SB:
I'm glad that someone else sees that. For YEARS this prick gave the DL pilot group nothing but crap!
Blamed the DL MEC from everything from their contract problems to the sinking of the titanic, and let's not forget him blaming the DL MEC for him losing his pass privileges... which never happened.
Unfortunately, its too late, and I believe you are correct, he has probably slipped through the hiring department and it is evident by his changing tune. But, alas, it won't take long for him to step on his crank on line with his pro rjdc drivel! He might not make it past probation, as while on probation, EVERY captain that he'll fly with must complete a NH evaluation!
Time will tell.................

737

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I'm with ya pal.......hypocrite pretty much sums it up!!!

 

[pgcfii2002]

I love Office Space.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey guys, it is only $10 to change screen names. It would be pretty easy for a "hypocrite" to hide.

When on their jumpseat, and when on my jumpseat, most Delta pilots agree (actually every one including those who wrote LOR's) and say ALPA made a mistake by putting the RJ flying out to the lowest bidder. "All Delta flying by Delta pilots" was not unrealistic ten years ago. The furlough of Delta pilots and the shrinkage of the Delta list from 11,000 something to 6,000 something could have been avoided. Sure it sounds silly now, but the Delta Heritage Museum still has their display showing ASA MERGED with Delta. That was Delta pilots & employees that made that display, not me.

I may have dropped out of the RJDC thing after suit was filed, but I think their version of a more inclusive union is the way ALPA has to go to survive, promote our profession and stabilize this industry.

I'm not a hypocrite and if given the opportunity, I think a more inclusive union is the way to go. After all, isn't it a union's job to bring folks together?

Talk about hypocritical. You said if you want to fly at Delta, get hired. Yeah, so if someone takes your advice you then get mad and call them names?

You feel any better if the employer isn't Delta, but pays more?

Apologies for the thread creep.

 

[PCL_128]

Well, did you get hired at DAL or not? If not, then just say so so these guys will let it go.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Where I work now is no one's business. Especially not the business of vindictive web board folks on a witch hunt. Truth is, nobody cares.

This is a public web board to discuss public issues. Individuals don't matter, ideas & facts matter. They should be embarassed to focus on a guy on a web board.

Happy Fourth of July. Remember the Patriots and troublemakers who fought tyranny to bring you the Nation we call home. A lot of people called Jefferson a "prick" too, but I've never been with the French Ambassador's daughter.

 

[737 Pylt]

Sure it sounds silly now, but the Delta Heritage Museum still has their display showing ASA MERGED with Delta. That was Delta pilots & employees that made that display, not me.

ASA was not merged....It was purchased, which made you a wholly owned subsidiary!

I may have dropped out of the RJDC thing after suit was filed, but I think their version of a more inclusive union is the way ALPA has to go to survive, promote our profession and stabilize this industry.

The rjdc also dropped its petition for seniority integration when the furloughs started....Kind of ironic huh??

Talk about hypocritical. You said if you want to fly at Delta, get hired. Yeah, so if someone takes your advice you then get mad and call them names?

I think we can all agree that we just don't understand why you would want to work with a bunch of guys you just can't say anything nice about?!?!?

737

 

[captainv]

ASA was not merged....It was purchased, which made you a wholly owned subsidiary!737

Does that make USAir a wholly owned subsidiary of America West? Dare you to post that on the East vs. West threads...

 

[PCL_128]

Where I work now is no one's business. Especially not the business of vindictive web board folks on a witch hunt. Truth is, nobody cares.

I know, and I guess if you're working for DAL now then I can understand you not wanting to say anything. I just figured that if you aren't working at Delta, then maybe it would just be easier to say so so that the DAL pilots won't be attacking you for it for the next six months.

 

[PCL_128]

Does that make USAir a wholly owned subsidiary of America West? Dare you to post that on the East vs. West threads...

Big difference. The DAL or ASA scope language didn't require an integration. The DAL scope only required integration if a carrier with certain sized airplanes was purchased. ASA didn't have those sized airplanes, so no integration was required.

 

[fried chickens]

Actually, I don't think either of the Comair guys have family at Delta. I flew with one not long ago, he was a USN pilot prior to Comair, and didn't know a soul at Delta. Applied when they opened up hiring and interviewed in April.

Looks like Delta is giving preference to ASA guys. Good for them, lord knows they've been getting it from all sides lately.

Now seriously, what's up with hiring a GoJet guy?

Is Delta really giving preference to ASA guys or is it that more of them apply so more would get hired. The common ATL based would attract more ASA folks just like Continentals bases are the same as XJet and a number of them fill Continentals classes.

Just wondering how many west coast guys would jump at the opportunity to be based in ATL or EWR without a second thought?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Big difference. The DAL or ASA scope language didn't require an integration. The DAL scope only required integration if a carrier with certain sized airplanes was purchased. ASA didn't have those sized airplanes, so no integration was required.

ASA had 105 seat BAE 146's. Pan Am Express ATR42, as well as NorthEast's F27 drivers retired from Delta. Your arguement carries weight with regard to management, but not ALPA. You are forgetting ALPA's own alter ego policy.

One reason for ALPA's policy was to avoid arbitrary scope written to avoid mergers. Nobody likes mergers. But until someone finds a better way even US Air & TWA would admit a merger was better than the alternative of a separate subsidiary competing with other subsidiaries for the brand's flying. In the case of ASA, we would have certainly been on the absolute bottom of the list. Fine - many will end up there anyway. The difference is the unnecessary furlough and outsourcing.

I've never had anything against Delta pilots and have several close personal friends at DAL. They think they got the worst of what was a genuine error in leadership. The Delta MEC put preferential hiring of squadron buddies ahead of their responsibilities to their own members and the union. The result of this is being seen around the industry and is the result of the changes to ALPA's alter ego policy.

Now pilots engage in a battle where the reason for success (US Air style) is carried on the backs of employees' concessions. Regional partners compete against eachother and Delta pilots now have to compete against them at the 100 seat level. A national union's job is to help stop and stabilize labor wars.

The difference between a successful airline and a loser should not be $2 an hour in pilot compensation. This is a basic princible and a tenet of ALPA. I happened to have a front row seat at DAL/ASA when this part of history happened.

It can't be fixed now. But I will always hope ALPA comes back to recognizing the harm of alter ego competition.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just one Marine...obviously they have lowered there satndards considerably.

All is needed is one Marine.....

 

[PuffDriver]

Does that make USAir a wholly owned subsidiary of America West? Dare you to post that on the East vs. West threads...

You really don't want to go there. Both airlines were brought together to merge. Both pilot contracts had language in their PWAs requiring a list merger. I suggest that if you are indeed an RJ f/o that you read your contract cover to cover, so that you don't make a fool of yourself in person with the people you fly with daily.

 

[PuffDriver]

Hey guys, it is only $10 to change screen names. It would be pretty easy for a "hypocrite" to hide.

When on their jumpseat, and when on my jumpseat, most Delta pilots agree (actually every one including those who wrote LOR's) and say ALPA made a mistake by putting the RJ flying out to the lowest bidder. "All Delta flying by Delta pilots" was not unrealistic ten years ago. The furlough of Delta pilots and the shrinkage of the Delta list from 11,000 something to 6,000 something could have been avoided. Sure it sounds silly now, but the Delta Heritage Museum still has their display showing ASA MERGED with Delta. That was Delta pilots & employees that made that display, not me.

I may have dropped out of the RJDC thing after suit was filed, but I think their version of a more inclusive union is the way ALPA has to go to survive, promote our profession and stabilize this industry.

I'm not a hypocrite and if given the opportunity, I think a more inclusive union is the way to go. After all, isn't it a union's job to bring folks together?

Talk about hypocritical. You said if you want to fly at Delta, get hired. Yeah, so if someone takes your advice you then get mad and call them names?

You feel any better if the employer isn't Delta, but pays more?

Apologies for the thread creep.

Nothing like coming back with your schwantz in your hand!!!

Quite frankly, nothing you type here is believable. Your "testimony" from Delta pilots on your jumpseat, your employer, your "front row seat" when ASA was acquired. None.

The funniest is using Delta Heritage Museum evidence to prove your theory that indeed the lists should have been merged. I guess that is better than napkins though.

It's pretty simple, your pilot groups tried to pull a coup, and got spanked. Now they will get spanked more, and deserve it. Mess with natural order, and prepare to get beat badly. Before you try and beat the odds, make sure that you can survive the odds beating you.

Of course, ASA did operate 105 seat jets at one time. Comair had looked at buying Spirit. Why shouldn't they spring into 180K jobs?!?

You got spanked son, and your actions had NOTHING to do with unity building. I'm glad.

 

[captainv]

Silly me. I keep forgetting that sarcasm and subtlety don't mix well on this board.

You really don't want to go there. Both airlines were brought together to merge. Both pilot contracts had language in their PWAs requiring a list merger. I suggest that if you are indeed an RJ f/o that you read your contract cover to cover, so that you don't make a fool of yourself in person with the people you fly with daily.

Depends on who the fool is - me for trying to make a funny or you for taking it seriously.

Exactly how much total time does "bunche" equal, anyway?

 

[PuffDriver]

Silly me. I keep forgetting that sarcasm and subtlety don't mix well on this board.



Depends on who the fool is - me for trying to make a funny or you for taking it seriously.

Exactly how much total time does "bunche" equal, anyway?

Nice retreat.

 

[captainv]

Nice retreat.

Ah, so that's what's really important here.