Delay of 9E/XJ/9L list

[TurboAWD]

At least, not among intelligent and enlightened people.

I said pilots were all similar, not intelligent. And sure as heck not enlightened. :laugh:

The thing is that PCL has been such a get it, get time, get out kind of place, that many people aren't interested in expending the slightest effort to try and improve it. Eventually, people just get tired and say "f it".

Regardless, the past is the past. The new (post SLI) MEC has a decent contract (with good grievance langauage) and a (hopefully) improving management team to work with. Life should get better for all the pilots.

And don't forget, with the 2012 hiring boom, we will all be moving up (or getting off) the list anyway!!! :erm:

 

[Smarta$$]

I said pilots were all similar, not intelligent. And sure as heck not enlightened. :laugh:

The thing is that PCL has been such a get it, get time, get out kind of place, that many people aren't interested in expending the slightest effort to try and improve it. Eventually, people just get tired and say "f it".

Regardless, the past is the past. The new (post SLI) MEC has a decent contract (with good grievance langauage) and a (hopefully) improving management team to work with. Life should get better for all the pilots.

And don't forget, with the 2012 hiring boom, we will all be moving up (or getting off) the list anyway!!! :erm:

Amen.

 

[Simon Says]

I said pilots were all similar, not intelligent. And sure as heck not enlightened. :laugh:

The thing is that PCL has been such a get it, get time, get out kind of place, that many people aren't interested in expending the slightest effort to try and improve it. Eventually, people just get tired and say "f it".

Regardless, the past is the past. The new (post SLI) MEC has a decent contract (with good grievance langauage) and a (hopefully) improving management team to work with. Life should get better for all the pilots.

And don't forget, with the 2012 hiring boom, we will all be moving up (or getting off) the list anyway!!! :erm:

Hear, Hear.

 

[xjhawk]

I was surprised mesa bas sli final proposal was doh since I always thought doh was best only for the top 40 percent and 75-80percent of pinnacle pilots. I was even more surprised the pinnacle proposal was so selfish it was almost laughable-when if they went doh it would have put Bloch in a place to place more pinnacle pilots above more mesaba and colgan pilots. I and many mesaba guys thought our union was going to present a relative with fences as the ones who were shouting doh and wanted on the sli committee were not selected. As for the communication..........I agree it is severely lacking......and is making some very upset. I always say......contact your rep.......but that should not have to be......it seems I get my info quicker from other unions.......but I for some reason have not gotten union emails as soon as I was waiting on something as important as this......is there a connection with my complaints and my email stopping? Lol. I am kidding- but communication needs to improve.

 

[coonass]

It's kind of hard to communicate when your not told much from Bloch. 9E has more info because that is where the issuses lay in their list ( this not a shot at 9E guys). The MSA MEC will only report what they can when they can. You also have to remember that comm chairman is most like on a trip and can only send out info when he can. Do I think the MEC should put out a letter once a day to say they know nothing or they found a few more isuess and it doent have to be about 9e's list. Now they don't have to go into details just a general what's going on. If you want the details call your rep and demand answers.

 

[dcfu69]

list isn't coming out for quite some time. Most likely a several weeks or more..from a very reliable source... mmkk

 

[bri5150]

list isn't coming out for quite some time. Most likely a several weeks or more..from a very reliable source... mmkk

Isn't Mr. Bloch about the only reliable source at this point? You must have seen is magic show if you know him. How was it?

 

[DoinTime]

I want to see Bloch pull a seniority list out of his hat.

http://www.blochmagic.com/

 

[bri5150]

Yup, our career progression is in his hands.

 

[SEVEN]

I want to see Bloch pull a seniority list out of his hat.

http://www.blochmagic.com/

Thanks for posting. Now I'm really scared!!

 

[i fly boxes]

Question- why do all three of our comittees allow mr. Bloch to remain silent for such long periods of time. The guy has to have a phone number, what's the problem with kindly asking him when he will be done now that he has all the info he needs? That would relieve a lot of tension for everyone

 

[bri5150]

Question- why do all three of our comittees allow mr. Bloch to remain silent for such long periods of time. The guy has to have a phone number, what's the problem with kindly asking him when he will be done now that he has all the info he needs? That would relieve a lot of tension for everyone

It's not tough to find his phone number. Why don't you call him yourself?

 

[Inconceivable]

Question- why do all three of our comittees allow mr. Bloch to remain silent for such long periods of time. The guy has to have a phone number, what's the problem with kindly asking him when he will be done now that he has all the info he needs? That would relieve a lot of tension for everyone

arbitrator = private judge

judge = representative of the sovereign

The mindset of most arbitrators is that time means nothing compared to "doing it right".

For an arbitrator or judge "right" means crafting an opinion so bulletproof that it can not be contested or reversed.

 

[SEVEN]

Question- why do all three of our comittees allow mr. Bloch to remain silent for such long periods of time. The guy has to have a phone number, what's the problem with kindly asking him when he will be done now that he has all the info he needs? That would relieve a lot of tension for everyone

Call him and tell him to hustle up. Let me know how that goes for you.

 

[sinkrate]

Question- why do all three of our comittees allow mr. Bloch to remain silent for such long periods of time. The guy has to have a phone number, what's the problem with kindly asking him when he will be done now that he has all the info he needs? That would relieve a lot of tension for everyone

Arbitrators rarely issue their findings/awards on time. Two months late is typical in most cases. The Arbitrator in the Republic SLI was almost four months late with his award. The only option the parties involved have is to ask for their money back and then reschedule with another arbitrator.

It won't surprice me if we don't see this award until August.