Decade long rumor of SWA buying Q400's back

[waveflyer]

If SWA gets a smaller airplane and pays less for captain than it does for 737 FO, we might as well outsource the flying to a code share partner and allow for it in our contract. The results would be the same. "SWAPA, you better agree to this (or that, or the other thing) or we'll just trade 200 737s for 200 cute little turboprops." We would be bent by all that leverage in a heartbeat. Then after we signed off on whatever they were asking for, the trade would go down anyway.
We can't allow any smaller airplane to be operated here in which it's captain pay rate is less than 737 FO. PERIOD.

I hope you don't actually believe that we may as well outsource it...????

Seriously?

 

[PCL_128]

wave, you're living in a dream world. No one is going to vote for their own pay cut to give you the blended rate you want. And I tell you this as someone who actually agrees with you that blended is better. It just ain't gonna happen. Pilots are selfish pricks.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't think it is here actually

I think the toughest group to convince is the internet crowd

The argument is this-
If we get widebodies someday, do you want to be forced to fly it financially and create that lame expensive training pipeline- or do you want to fly what you want

Remember, pilots will hop airplane to airplane and wrap a lot of company funds in training if we play the stepping stone game- so company has some inherent value wrapped up in a blended rate too- which is leverage to minimize any perceived cuts from a blended rate

 

[PCL_128]

You're a dreamer, wave. I wish you were right. But I'm too much of a realist.

 

[waveflyer]

That's weird PCL

I was fully expecting a "you know, I hadn't thought about it that way- you're right"

Haha

Enjoy your Saturday my man

 

[27 driver]

Greedy and dumb

First of all Wave....it's not greedy and dumb. It's reality. Maybe in your little bubble guys would vote for a pay cut but in the real world it won't happen. You can spin a blended rate all you want but it's a pay cut for all. For the last 4 years all we have heard from RSW guys is W 2 this pay rates that. Do you really believe that you can sell a senior captain on a pay cut. Even if it was only $10 an hr it could be $1500 or more a month. It's your dream but it won't happen.

 

[27 driver]

Gets it^^^^

Blended or not

We fly it

I agree with blended

He said nothing about blended rates. Just SWA pilots flying SWA routes. I agree that there should be no out sourcing. But you will never get half of the pilot group to vote yes on less hourly pay. Especially the half that wouldn't be affected by the smaller planes. Keep dreaming though.

 

[waveflyer]

Reading not your strong suit?^^^

I agree with blended- BUT in any case we fly it.

 

[fr8doggie]

Wave probably thinks he would be a Capt. on the Q400 so HE would get a pay raise from his current F/O pay.

 

[waveflyer]

First of all Wave....it's not greedy and dumb. It's reality. Maybe in your little bubble guys would vote for a pay cut but in the real world it won't happen. You can spin a blended rate all you want but it's a pay cut for all. For the last 4 years all we have heard from RSW guys is W 2 this pay rates that. Do you really believe that you can sell a senior captain on a pay cut. Even if it was only $10 an hr it could be $1500 or more a month. It's your dream but it won't happen.

So if we get a smaller and a larger type - you want to set up the same old failed legacy system that doesn't really work for any party involved?

What part are you arguing for?
$10-
Chasing carrots as mgmt plays that divide and conquer game
Significantly more pilots in the training pipeline unproductive jobs program??- has anyone ever loved going to school every few years??)
Pilot dynamic where pilots have to fly the bigger plane to make money even if they don't want to and it's hard on the body-

It's not like this is unprecedented- UPS

And believe me, if REALITY were set in stone I'd have never accomplished anything