Deal reached on new pilot hours

[Caveman]

You misunderstood the article. A commerical can be had at 250 hrs. which is the minimum time (or certificate) allowed to hold a 121 FO spot. The proposal states that you can still acquire the commerical at 250 but there would be a minimum amount of time (800 hrs.) before you could apply and be hired by an airline. It's a hiring minimum - not a certification minimum.

Perhaps college might've fortified your reading comprehension.

These are the first two paragraphs from the article:

"Senators have reached a compromise to dramatically increase the number of flight hours new commercial copilots need to get a license, though the figure falls short of what the group Families of Continental Flight 3407 was seeking.

Under a deal brokered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer and announced Friday, new co-pilots would have to have 800 hours of flight experience in specific, rigorous conditions, up from the current 250 hours of general experience."

If they aren't talking about a commercial certificate, what other kind of 'license' are they talking about. It appears to me they are proposing increasing the minimum hours to 800 for a commercial certificate.

The wording is ambiguous (look it up). That's why I asked the question. Pay attention.

 

[pilotyip]

EXACTLY. Now - which ones are "stuck" at JUS because the "can't get hired anywhere else?"

The upper middle aged ones are the ones that stay, because they are making near $100K, and even with a degree at age 55, where are they going to go? The one that left were a mix of degreed and non-degreed, thte non-degreed guys went places like UAL, JB, Spirit, NJ, AT, SWA just to name a few. My Gad how did they slipt throught cracks, because they were great guys, excellent sticks and just fun ot be around. The kinda guys you want to hire, so you don't let the degree get in the way.

 

[152SIC]

These are the first two paragraphs from the article:

"Senators have reached a compromise to dramatically increase the number of flight hours new commercial copilots need to get a license, though the figure falls short of what the group Families of Continental Flight 3407 was seeking.

Under a deal brokered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer and announced Friday, new co-pilots would have to have 800 hours of flight experience in specific, rigorous conditions, up from the current 250 hours of general experience."

If they aren't talking about a commercial certificate, what other kind of 'license' are they talking about. It appears to me they are proposing increasing the minimum hours to 800 for a commercial certificate.

The wording is ambiguous (look it up). That's why I asked the question. Pay attention.

I also think that the 800 hours is for a commercial license.

http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alerts/031810.html

 

[pilotyip]

800 Comm requirement No Way!

I also think that the 800 hours is for a commercial license.

http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alerts/031810.html

maybe this reads you must have 800 to be a SIC, but you can still be a 91, CFI, VFR 135 PIC? what do you think? But if it is 800 for a Comm, what does a pilot do for 800 hours? No CFIing, No Banner Towing, no sightseeing, it will nearly kill all progression except for rich people.

 

[acpilot]

Are you on acid?? You are the only one that keeps arguing against your self. No one else is saying that it's required to safely and efficiently fly an airplane!

And I agree ERAU should not be considered a formal education. How beneficial is 2 hours of FMS 101 every other day????

I re-read my posts and I can see how it looks like I'm arguing against myself. I'm sure some folks know what I'm saying, however.

If efficient, safe operation isn't an issue, why is there even an issue with HS v 4year?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I also think that the 800 hours is for a commercial license.

http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alerts/031810.html

While the article (you cite) does indeed state that it is for certification purposes, I believe that the few articles cited in this thread are written by journalists who are mixing up terminology.

This would effectively mean CFI's or banner towers would have to receive 800 hours in order to receive these jobs.

The spirit or intent of the reform seeks to address 121 or airline operations, and in doing so, seeks to change the minimum hours and experience breakdown for employment purposes. These higher requirements would need to be accomplished outside of the 121 environment while still possessing a commercial certificate.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

If they aren't talking about a commercial certificate, what other kind of 'license' are they talking about. It appears to me they are proposing increasing the minimum hours to 800 for a commercial certificate.

The wording is ambiguous (look it up). That's why I asked the question. Pay attention.

Sorry if I came across as rude. I agree the wording is is ambiguous. However, I think these journalists are mixing terminology up.

 

[sayrejm]

Go to college... yes. But for the love of God, take half the money you would spend at Riddle and get a degree in something useful and then take the other half and learn to fly part 61. You get the same damn green piece of plastic plus a backup plan.

 

[Caveman]

Sorry if I came across as rude. I agree the wording is is ambiguous. However, I think these journalists are mixing terminology up.

Thanks for the apology. Their choice of words is confusing. I'm not sure what they are really proposing.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

This is all funny, especially since many 91/135 jet operators employ SICs with less than 1500 hrs. Somehow they're exempt. Are they only concerned about PAX in the air or people on the ground (as in a crash). This is a public relations placation for the masses who overwhelmingly travel by airliner. I'm all for an ATP certificate before siting right seat. It's just so logical. The airlines themselves actually fought against this. Yet, they hold safety in the highest regard.