Dangerous Capt.

[retired guy]

They had a guy like you describe at Delta years ago...Miami based, I think. Anyway, about five copilots caught him in the parking lot and beat the $hit out of him.

 

[PCL_128]

That goes both ways. Unions have been protecting bad teachers for 40 years. A union dues paying pilot, (good or bad) will probably seek the same deal.

All the teachers' union can do is provide a defense. If the facts back up the school board's decision to get rid of a bad teacher, then they can get rid of that teacher. The same goes for any other union. The union provides the best defense they can for everyone, but if management has the evidence (which is what everyone here is telling the guy to collect), then getting rid of the bad employee is still very possible. Saying that teachers' unions protect bad teachers has always been a convenient cop-out. The truth is that school boards just don't want to go to the trouble of collecting evidence to support their case. They'd rather let bad teachers continue to teach. Blame the school boards, not the unions.

 

[ferlo]

Just tell him to go F*ck himself. Bully's never have a plan for that one. Loser.

 

[Godfather]

I'm sending Paulie and Sil down to take care of bidness for ya. Just let me know when he's headed for the parking lot when he gets off work...they'll be waiting

Cadillac Brown Jersey Tags...can't miss it....you'll get phone call from pay phone booth when the job is done.

 

[Corona]

That's what happened to me. I take absolutely NOTHING now. I got in a huge blow up recently with a guy - I won't go into specifics, but it involved compliance with procedure. It ain't my first. Problem is - anytime I get into an argument I overreact now due to what happened before.

Interesting. The pilots I respect most in this business also have this disposition. That's what happens when one jackass too many puts your life or career in jeopardy without your permission! :angryfire

It's pretty funny when non-pilots or non-professional pilots hear us going on about it; they think we're a bunch of wackos.

That's OK. I'd rather hear the big noise that comes from yelling at an idiot than the big noise that comes from an airplane smacking the ground.

C

 

[Corona]

They had a guy like you describe at Delta years ago...Miami based, I think. Anyway, about five copilots caught him in the parking lot and beat the $hit out of him.

That would be fun to see, but it wouldn't be good for the FOs if they got caught.

Cameras can be almost invisible these days. I'd much rather see pilots take secret videos of these kinds of pricks, then send copies to management, union, YouTube, Associated Press etc etc etc. Especially the media.

C

 

[whymeworry?]

Take yourself off th trip. When the CP asks why, tell him.

 

[Deli Guy]

I would spoon him, lift up his shirt, and then ejaculate on him.

 

[jws717]

They had a guy like you describe at Delta years ago...Miami based, I think. Anyway, about five copilots caught him in the parking lot and beat the $hit out of him.

That was when real men flew airplanes. 20 years ago we used our fist, now we use a law firm. The fist is alot faster and less painfull.

 

[NuGuy]

It's when you think you're finally over the event, have a moment alone to yourself, and the thought hits. . .

"Why didn't I say anything?"


"Why?"

Heyas Jedi,

Unfortunately, this revelation usually only comes to people after the fact.

After seeing my fair share of aquantences buried and young widows with small children, I've learned to speak right up.

Nu

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Gentlemen,

I work for a smaller 121 carrier. I won't get into details about where I work, what I fly, or any details whatsoever. I'll get straight to the point.

• He has hit his FOs on numerous occasions (that's plural, he's hit me and several others).

Shy

Well,

Lessee, he hit you? That is assualt and battery!, That constitutes a hostile work environment. Notify your company, start at the CEO, then HR, then Chief pilot, all in writing via certified mail. This would considered "official" notification, and the mass notification would not allow this to be swept under the carpet unless he was, the CEO's son, who is married to the head of HR, and is currently the cheif pilot. You would be immune from anything that may follow(political repurcussions) Whistleblower status would be in place. If the offending CA touches you, or in any way hassels you the company would be in effect maintaining a hostile workplace and liable for anything your laywer could get his fangs into. If all he did is hurt your fellings, well tough noogies, grow a pair. As far as strength in numbers, forget them, they will run at the first sign of trouble and leave you hanging alone anyways. If the only way you can show your integerity is when you have "numbers" with you, you are finished anyway, grow a pair, they come in handy in life.
PBR

 

[outtahere]

Ok, call me insensitive, but you are a Pu$$y and have no business occupying an aircraft that requires a crew. I put in my time at Colgan and it can be hostile, but none the less , you have an obligation to the pax in the back. If you are arrogant enough to believe that your career, or your "feelings" are worth more than the lives of the people in the back then you deserve an a$$ whipping yourself. Either stand up to the guy or quit. And after you stand up to him, if it damages you then quit. Please for the love of God grow a pair of balls because in this game there ain't no pause button.

 

[The_Russian]

Ok, call me insensitive, but you are a Pu$$y and have no business occupying an aircraft that requires a crew. I put in my time at Colgan and it can be hostile, but none the less , you have an obligation to the pax in the back. If you are arrogant enough to believe that your career, or your "feelings" are worth more than the lives of the people in the back then you deserve an a$$ whipping yourself. Either stand up to the guy or quit. And after you stand up to him, if it damages you then quit. Please for the love of God grow a pair of balls because in this game there ain't no pause button.

You aren't insensitive, you are just ignorant. This isn't a pis$ing contest, it's a safety issue. There is no room for the "hot-head" attitude in this business.

 

[MSNFlier]

A few thoughts from the bar (no not the corner bar)...

I am quite late to this thread, but I hope ShyGuy reads this post. I am a lawyer who has been practicing for over 12 years and I used to do a lot of criminal defense work. It wasn't fun, I saw a lot of seedy crap, but it was great training for the stuff I do now on the civil side.

Anyway, it's my opinion that anyone who tells you to reply with physical violence is unwise, unless you are in fact doing so in self-defense. But, keep in mind that self-defense is something which has a very narrow definition. Basically, if you can get away from him you can't hit him back.

Let's go to the tape.

The "elements" of the crime of battery in my state are:

• First, that the defendant caused bodily harm to the victim
• Second, that the defendant intended to cause bodily harm to the victim
• Third, that the victim did not consent to such bodily harm
• Fourth, that the defendant knew that the victim did not consent.

If a prosecutor can prove up those four elements to a jury the defendant will be convicted. Based upon your initial post, it appears that this CA has committed the crime of battery on multiple occasions upon you and your colleagues. You'll notice above that there's no reference to open hand or closed fist. If he strikes you and causes you physical pain without your consent, and he knew you did not consent, that is a crime.

If he ever strikes you again, call the police, plain and simple. If he does it in the air, note your approximate location and call the police when you land (IIRC, there may be specific federal laws which apply to battery committed in an aircraft in flight). The police will respond to the scene, ask you what happened, and then the police will talk to him (just like on Cops). He may or may not make an admission (i.e., confess to hitting you), but the police will then arrest him. If he admits to the police that he hit you, he's toast and he'll probably end up pleading no contest or guilty. If he doesn't admit, or just wants his day in court, you will be subpoenaed to testify and you must appear or the charges will be dismissed for lack of evidence. End of story.

Now, if I was a big wheel at your company and you and your co-workers showed up in my office to complain about this guy I would want to know why you hadn't called the cops when he hit you? I might think there's some sour grapes questions here or other motivations. On the other hand, if I get a call from Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane that he's got one of my pilots locked up on a battery charge, I can't ignore that. It also gives me all the ammunition I need to justify immediately taking him off the line and then firing him when he gets convicted.

Also, one other note, if the company retaliates against you for getting the calling the police involved under the circumstances described above, you might have a cause of action against the company.

I know some on here will not agree with this advice. That's fine, maybe my advice here is worth what you're paying for it, but I am fairly confident that most of the "kick his ass" crowd haven't practiced criminal defense. I guarantee that if you stoop to his level by engaging in the "eye for an eye" crap, you will be probably be on the street, too, and maybe with a criminal record reflecting a violent act - good luck getting on with a reputable airline in that case.

Now, as to flight ops stuff, I defer to our wiser and more experienced board members.

Hang in there and PM me if you have any questions.

 

[Huck]

Basically, if you can get away from him you can't hit him back.

He can't get away from him. I can assure you of that - not in the air.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Leave it up to a Lawyer to take the fun out of it (Ahem! MSN FLier)

Why don't you invite him over for dinner. Turn him from an enemy to a friend. Then when he's not expecting it … BAM! … the ol' fork in the eye. It'll take the wind right outta his sails!

Let me know how it works for ya