Cool controllers

[generaltso]

How about the ATIS at PHF??

 

[johnpeace]

Unfortunately, they don't hire many cool controllers for Atlanta, only those that want the big bucks since their pay is based on operations, and they are not willing to work with you. Airliners only!

I was just in Georgia for a few weeks and did some flying there.

One day, I did 5.3 hours of XC with VFR flight following (ATL CTR, MCN APPR, JAX APPR) all day long.

I was *blown away* at how friendly, helpful, patient, courteous and professional all of the controllers, FSS briefers and other pilots were...everywhere I went!

I live/fly in Hawaii and even with about 1/2 the workload of the guys I was on the air with in Ga, the HI controllers are just perpetually stressed out and take it out on the pilots.

 

[English]

I live/fly in Hawaii and even with about 1/2 the workload of the guys I was on the air with in Ga, the HI controllers are just perpetually stressed out and take it out on the pilots.

What controllers have you been talking to? I also work in Hawaii, and those guys are about as laid-back as one can get. That's a very perplexing statement you make. I've have really good interaction with the HI controllers, a conversation every now and then - always very very helpful friendly and professional.

You want uptight? Go fly the East Coast for a while...

 

[JimNtexas]

The female pilots at KAUS say there is a controller they call "Mr Cool" who has what to them is a very sexy voice. One even wrote a long song dedicated to him, things like "when he says tango my heart wants to dance" and stuff.

One pilot (I"m talking about a very experienced mature businesswoman, not some flightly teenager) told me that before the computer system came in she used to call the ATIS phone all the time just in the hope to hear his voice.

The KAUS controllers are fine, but for the life of me not a one has made my heart want to dance.

 

[2000flyer]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Rodger from CHI Center. He literally brightens up the sector when he is on...he'll be sorely missed when he pulls the pin and retires. Plus, he flies, is an airplane owner and is an aviation enthusiast...a great plus in my book regarding controllers.

FN...you talking about Roger P.? If so, he is a great guy. I used to fly out of Western WI and every time he was working that sector he'd come back "Good Morning..company name...My but aren't you guys looking fit this morning!" The guy would run circles around the center if it meant getting us direct somewhere. One of the last times I talked to him we were east bound, 615AM, sun just starting to come up when a bright light went hauling a$$ over the top of us. I gave him a call and asked if traffic had just passed over us. Of course, in his witty tone..."nope, would'ya like to report something?" Slightly embarassed by how I phrased my question in the wee hours of the morning, I politely declined. About five minutes later he comes back saying he called some space wizard at the radio station (WLS??) and found out what we had just seen was the space shuttle going over. The next morning we checked on and he said "In about five minutes, if you're on top, you'll probably see Mir going by." Sure enough, right on time.

I miss that guy and his type on the frequency. They seem few and far between anymore.

2000Flyer

 

[coolyokeluke]

In ANC we have some great controllers. One in particular, he seems to have perpetually gotten up on the right side of the bed, always upbeat and relaxed. I heard he did some radio commercials.

 

[Mosquito]

New York CENTER has some great controllers. While doing some aero-mapping over ewr aera they bascially where very helpfull and funny. Great Bunch of people. Is it me, or there is a controller that sounds like Mr. G (local weather guy in NYC)? Anyways he is really cool.

 

[johnpeace]

What controllers have you been talking to? I also work in Hawaii, and those guys are about as laid-back as one can get. That's a very perplexing statement you make. I've have really good interaction with the HI controllers, a conversation every now and then - always very very helpful friendly and professional.

You want uptight? Go fly the East Coast for a while...

Huh...weird. Maybe it's GA pilots they have an attitude with.

On my XC into Class B to HNL when I was a student pilot, HNL CTR assigned me (student, VFR pilot) a published IFR approach procedure when giving me my clearance into the bravo. I had no idea what he was talking about he spoke so fast, so I just flew toward Barber's point from NORBY like I'd done with my instructor...then he barks at me for being 10deg off of a heading he hadn't assigned me, that I didn't know anything about.

When I got home, we called and they told me it's in the AFD (not the state airport guide that they tell GA pilots to use).

I guess I should have asked for clarification, but thought it was sort of an a$$hole maneuver on the part of the controller. I've never heard any of them use that procedure or anything like it since then.

Another time HNL APPR just refused to say 'cleared into the bravo':

me: 'hnl approach cessna 7332 lima 2000' 3 miles east of NORBI inbound. Request offshore vectors to full stop'

them: '7332 Lima turn left heading 165 descend and maintain 1500'

me: '7332 Lima left to 165, maintain 1500...am I cleared into the bravo?'

them: 'affirmative'

me: (wtf? is he even talking to me? I don't want to bust the bravo...) 'HNL approach, 7332 Lima requests confirmation of clearance into teh bravo'

them: 'what part of affirmative don't you understand?'

Nice.

Last week I flew OGG->LUP on SUnday. The hangar's closed...no phone. I filed a flight plan on FSS freq. I was fast. The guy reprimanded me for usign the frequency instead of the phone.

Seems like everyone I talk to in Hawaii has more attitude than anyone I talked to in Georgia...

I'm sure the east coast yankee controllers are a nightmare.

 

[English]

That's not attitude, johnpeace...that's just a controller's frustration with having to deal with an inexperienced pilot in Class B airspace.

In all three instances you cited, you were the problem, not the controller.

In the first instance, you admit that you couldn't tell what the controller assigned to you, so, instead of querying him, you just flew whatever you wanted.

In the second instance, the controller clearly gave you a clearance into the class B. What's the problem?

In the last example, you filed a flight plan over the radio instead of by phone, tying up the frequency.

Sure, they could have held your hand a little bit more, but with all the international traffic, the controllers expect you'll do certain things. I'm surprised your intructor hasn't covered more of this with you.

Once you get more experience and learn how to fit into the system, I'm sure you'll find things much more easy-going.

 

[johnpeace]

I'm doing pretty well in the system.

Sure, I'm 'at fault' in all 3 instances.

In the first instance, why is the controller assigning a IFR procedure to a VFR student pilot? Wouldn't radar vectors be a little more user friendly? I should have asked for clarification, sure...but would *you* do what that guy did? I wouldnt'.

In the 2nd instance, re-read the exchange. When he 'cleared me' it was by saying 'affirmative' with no tail number. I wasn't willing to risk busting the bravo by assuming he was talking to me...easy as that would be. He and I both know 'you are cleared into the bravo' are the words I am wanting to hear...why didn't he just say it?

In the 3rd instance. The FSS guy on a sunday afternoon can't copy from the radio for 20 seconds? I know we're supposed to avoid tying up the freq when possible by using the phone, but like I said, hangar was closed...no phone...what else am I supposed to do? Get in my car and drive to Costco to use the phone? He even said when giving me **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** 'use the phone whenever possible'..well, yeah. I know. You can assume then, Mr. FSS Briefer, that if I'm doing this on the radio it's because usign the phone was NOT possible.

So, when I was in ATL, I noticed that FSS briefers and controllers were WAY more patient and easygoing than they are here. I heard student pilots totally screwing up all their radio calls and the busy ATL CTR guys were real patient and cooperative with them. Briefers were friendly and helpful rather than just adherent to the standards...for instance, when giving winds aloft, they offered that it looked better at a higher altitude than I'd requested. HI FSS *never* offers anything...just curtly provide exactly what I ask for, no more, no less.

Just my subjective opinions. Maybe part of it is that I started developing this opinion while I was a brand new student and didn't begin shaping opinion of ATL controllers until I had a little more experience and confidence.

 

[shamrock]

Haven't heard him in a while, but Buzz in ATL is cool.

"Candler 551, cleared ILS 26 Right, tower at Ajjay, Grrrrreat day sir!!!"

Don't know how anybody can be that chipper all the time.

 

[millhouse21]

The guys at ORD make me laugh. The other when it was really busy (I know, what else is new) The ground was like "Hey everybody remember the golden rule here in Chicago. Moving airplane good; Stopped airplane bad." Cracked me up.

 

[FN FAL]

FN...you talking about Roger P.?
2000Flyer

Yea, that's him! I've had breakfast with Roger over at the jet room in MSN. Heard his voice over at another table and introduced myself to him by giving him my flight number. He enjoys being part of our coffee klatch in the morining when he's working 8 or 9 of our flights northbound.

Even though I know I'm biased, the controllers at MSN are very friendly and there's one fellow in particular who has such a unique "(commercial) radio" voice, I would think he could have made big bucks doing that, instead.

I think I know who you are talking about, he leases us a hanger out at the drop zone and has another hanger at the airport as well. I don't remember what airplane he owns, but he is one heck of a nice guy in person as well.

 

[minitour]

In all three instances you cited, you were the problem, not the controller.

In the first instance, you admit that you couldn't tell what the controller assigned to you, so, instead of querying him, you just flew whatever you wanted.

In the second instance, the controller clearly gave you a clearance into the class B. What's the problem?

In the last example, you filed a flight plan over the radio instead of by phone, tying up the frequency.

I'll agree with you on #1 and #3, but the "Cleared into the Bravo" is what the controller should have said. He had every right and reason to request the "magic words".

Its the same that controllers have asked people on ground to "say the magic words (hold short)".

Just as responding to "hold short runway 7 landing traffic" with "roger" doesn't cut it, neither does vectors and an altitude for a Class B clearance.

I guess my response to "what part of affirmative don't you understand?" would have been something similar to:
"...the part where I need your initials, your sup's name and a phone number. And while you're at it I need to hear 'cleared into the bravo' thanks."

Not really something to get the guy/gal in trouble for with the sup, but definately something to straighten out. Its not their ticket on the line, its yours.

But thats MHO.

Anywho...cool controllers?

There's a guy at KYNG where I did my primary training who is awesome. Seems like he'll do almost anything to help ya out. From short approaches, to landing on a "wrong" runway to save some time, to putting us in the computer so we had flight following the whole flight.

Last time I flew out there was a (late) night XC. I was out to an uncontrolled field to the east and then up to CLE. On the way back in he was working the whole thing (approach, local and ground) and basically asked me what I wanted. So we got straight in to runway 14 (even switched the ILS so I could monitor the LOC) taxi all the way down the runway, he even called FSS to close out my VFR flight plan for me while I taxied in. Awesome guy!

Unfortunately you also have some guys out there that seem like they're just DYING to violate someone....oh well.

-mini

 

[English]

Good point about the magic words.

While I was always taught to do the same, and would have been uptight about that as a student, I've learned since that in the real world, if I ask a controller a question and he answers in the affirmative, that is good enough for me. I'm not going to get all tied up in the semantics.

But, as a student pilot, I agree 100% that you must hear the magic words "cleared into the class bravo."

 

[Vector4fun]

The KAUS controllers are fine, but for the life of me not a one has made my heart want to dance.

Awwwwww, Jim;

Not even a little bit????

 

[Indapool]

Phx

Bubbles

Nuf Said

 

[jumppilot]

There's an approach controller at LEX that always says "Good afternooooooooon" when you check on. Always given me whatever whack-job request I've asked for.

Also was on my way back into LAF one night IFR and Chicago Center cleared me for the GPS 28. Once I got on the ground I called them on the radio to cancel and the controller said "Tell my son to get out of the bars and go study." Got a healthy laugh out of that one.

I think I know the guy you're talking about...I picked up a buddy a couple years ago in MDW to party in LAF and we were talking s*it on the way home and got off course, which the controller noticed....

Controller: 55908, you know you're heading to CMI now, right?
Us: uhhhhhhh, yeah, we see that
Controller: You go to Purdue?
Us: uhhhhhhh, yeah.
Controller: Well, my son is going to purdue in the fall and I hope they don't teach him how to fly like that!

It was 55908, so maybe I can blame it on that, but the reality is I'm a crappy pilot.

 

[jumppilot]

Good point about the magic words.

While I was always taught to do the same, and would have been uptight about that as a student, I've learned since that in the real world, if I ask a controller a question and he answers in the affirmative, that is good enough for me. I'm not going to get all tied up in the semantics.

But, as a student pilot, I agree 100% that you must hear the magic words "cleared into the class bravo."

English,

Good point. As student pilots, you expect to hear everything by the book ("Cessna, 69ME, cleared into the Bravo"). As professional pilots, you see the radio as what it is......two way communication.

"Am I cleared into the bravo?"......"Affirmative"

Who else would he be talking to?

f*ck it.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

PTK people are good, my dad trained a lot of them that came from DTW when my pops was at Metro...... Metro has some great guys too