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Dumb Pilot said:
Correct! I did my interview in TYO but my medical was in ANC at a later date due to roster conflicts with my previous gig
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Do they give you a copy of the medical results, regardless of job offer?

Which company (AJV/AJX) has the most openings right now?
 
saviboy said:
Hi
I am new to the contract scene.
If one gets a 5 year contract, can one leave before the contract ends. is there a bond of some sort. penalty to pay if leaving early

thanks
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I get quite a bit of question regarding early contract cancellations and I would like to make a point, If you are thinking about taking this contract with the intention of leaving as soon as you get another gig, remember that the contract world is pretty small and the word gets around rather quickly that you are an individual that doesn't complete his contract. The first question out of interview panels if you come from another contract company is "Did you complete your contract and why not?" you pretty much blacklist yourself. Some of this contracts don't have penalties for early cancellations but if a handful of individuals have a company spend a quarter of a million dollars in your training (between training, hotel, salary, because remember that they pay you your ENTIRE base salary from the day you arrive for training) just to leave halfway down your contract, that will force the companies that are not doing it yet, to have training bonds and make folks pay for training. Ask your contract company of choice about the specific provisions on that contract for early withdrawal

Do they give you a copy of the medical results, regardless of job offer?

Which company (AJV/AJX) has the most openings right now?
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No, you don't get the results of the medical and if you get turned down (vision, hearing, cholesterol or whatever the case may be) they will NOT tell you why unless it is an imminent threat to your life. Cancer cells on your blood work or something dramatic as such

There are openings in both companies right now, also something that the contract companies haven't updated in their web sites for some reason is that the salary level for F/O's in both AJX/AJV is now the same since we got a pay raise at AJX (Air Japan, pax side) so if your choice is to fly passengers but want to apply to AJV because of the higher salary, now the F/O's of both companies are earning the same salary.

They basically raised the salaries of captains and F/O's in AJX by $1,000/month and they increased the per diem to $976/ month (from $884) and the housing allowance went up to $550/month (from $500) pension contribution went to $1,000/ month for captains and $600/ month for F/O's
Also there is a seniority based raise of 1% to 8% additional of base salary (1% to 6% for F/O's) depending on years of service. So basically what they did is bring the F/O's of AJX to the same salary level of AJV and the captains went up to slightly less than the AJV captains.

But remember that only AJV (cargo) has DEC and F/O positions right now and AJX has only F/O slots available at this time
 
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"Different work, different pay."
You're a genious there, "Say Again Over", thanks for the reiteration. Do you know what the pay and work difference is? Thanks for your input.
 
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Say again is right.

Different work, different pay. Commuting contracts "usually" pay less because you are available to fly less than the guy who lives in the base.

Every airline is different, and for every airline there can be multiple contracts. Asking "what" the difference is, is not possible to answer without the specifics of the company.

Check carefully to find the best deal.
 
Ok, I should have asked this a different way, perhaps. Dumb Pilot, are there different contracts with ANA that you know of, eg.; commuting, non-commuting. If so, what, if any, are the pay differences. Thank you in advance.
 
AJV/AJX the cargo and passenger divisions of ANA that operate the 767's are commuting contract only thus far

IBEX (CRJ)
A-net (Q-400)
ANK (737's)
These other operations within the ANA group are all residing contracts
 
For an ANA interview, would you use PARC, IAC, or Rishworth Aviation?

Seems like the only quote concerning salaries came from PARC at $8046 US a month for ANA 767 fo?

Anyone top that?

Seems like KAL 737 is only $6500 US. (through IAC)

I need to apply, interview before Aug 8th. Sounds kinda unlikely (company screwed us with COLA announcement, and that is our cutoff date) I would hate to apply for COLA and not even get an interview/offer by then.

Anyway, back on track....anyone have any REAL experience with any of these contract guys?

I was told ANA was interviewing in late July. KAL was interviewing in late Aug, which I'm not really in the running for due to our late COLA notice.

Any input would be great.

Thanks
 
I have been very happy with PARC. Pay is on time every time with no problems. I know there are a lot of guys that are not happy with HACS. Apparently they dont give you a itemized pay break down. They just tell you what was put in the bank.

However, there are small differences between each of the companies but the pay is exactly the same. Differences are in insurance and retirement and things like that.
 
Think I'm gonna go with PARC.

Got two notices about ANA (AJV etc) from different companies, PARC and IAC

PARC RATES:
Training = 7,162.00 USD and then 8,046.00 USD for the remainder of year 1.
Year 2 = 9,122.00 USD
Year 3 = 9,048.00 USDYear
4 = 9,575.00 USDYear
5 = 9,699.00 USDA

IAC:

Training = 7162 and then 7162 for remainder
Year 2 = 8238
Year 3 = 8524
Year 4 = 8691
Year 5 = 8885

Both companies offer the 2000 a month for travel and same add ons it seems.


BUYER BE WARE... guess you really have to shop around. of course, these are only two, do any others represent the ANA guys?
 
All three contractors pay exactly the same. IAC, Parc, and HACS. The reason it appears different is that some of the contractors include some of the allowances or per diem or retirement in the base pay. Or IAC just hasn't updated their pay. A raise was announced a few weeks ago and they might be behind.

You do need to shop around but make sure you are asking the right questions. Insurance, retirement, etc... Pay will be the same.

If you go with Parc and are going to live in the US, make sure u check their insurance. I believe that the insurance will cover you everywhere except the US unless you pay more for specific US coverage.
 
Get your story straight. There are no Aloha Captains (pilots) at KAL as of yet. Soon, but not there at this moment.
 
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No worries... It is something that is different and complicated and not many people have answers for your questions. I am still learning as I go, but I have no regrets about coming over to the contract world. There are 2 of us on this board on the AJX contract and we can probably get answers for questions about AJV. If you have questions, post away.
 
Dumb Pilot said:
AJV/AJX the cargo and passenger divisions of ANA that operate the 767's are commuting contract only thus far

IBEX (CRJ)
A-net (Q-400)
ANK (737's)
These other operations within the ANA group are all residing contracts
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During training, do you have a chance to go home for a few days or is it 6 months straight (and you'll like it).

Any real difference in Cargo vs. PAX (ie better layovers)

Will AJV continue NRT-ANC-ORD or is that going to be leased out?

THANKS
 
1) After completion of sim and check rides, you get to go home for 3 weeks. Your family gets to visit you during training also and all expenses are paid

2) AJX is a passenger with all the flights originating from Narita, we have a mix of day trips to China and a couple of overnights

AJV is cargo and it is mostly back of the clock stuff with a lot of DH's

3) About the ORD roster, the word is that ANA has leased two 744"s to do those flights and the 76's will be doing only China and a couple of destinations on southeast Asia. Also the prospect of a ORD pilot base has been put on hold for a while, their business plan is to get something bigger in the future (they said 777's) but by 2012
But it is the airline business after all and all is subject to change




Mr.B said:
During training, do you have a chance to go home for a few days or is it 6 months straight (and you'll like it).

Any real difference in Cargo vs. PAX (ie better layovers)

Will AJV continue NRT-ANC-ORD or is that going to be leased out?

THANKS
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Dumb Pilot said:
1) After completion of sim and check rides, you get to go home for 3 weeks. Your family gets to visit you during training also and all expenses are paid

2) AJX is a passenger with all the flights originating from Narita, we have a mix of day trips to China and a couple of overnights

AJV is cargo and it is mostly back of the clock stuff with a lot of DH's

3) About the ORD roster, the word is that ANA has leased two 744"s to do those flights and the 76's will be doing only China and a couple of destinations on southeast Asia. Also the prospect of a ORD pilot base has been put on hold for a while, their business plan is to get something bigger in the future (they said 777's) but by 2012
But it is the airline business after all and all is subject to change
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Of the two (AJV/AJX) would you say have more nights in NRT, which I understand is on your own dime?

Would the KIX "temporary trial base" for AJV be on your dime too?
 
AJX is probably in NRT more. You are paid about 560$ per month for accomodation in Japan. Anything more than 10$ per month you are paid an additional 50$. I am not sure how the AJV schedules are now, but for a while, they were spending a LOT of time in NRT sitting in the hotel on standby duty. For a while they were only flying about 35 to 40 hours a month. I think it has since picked up a little thought. At AJX I am on my 3rd straight month of overtime.

One of the AJV guys has told me that they are giving you a company paid apartment down in KIX to get people to go there. I have not seen anything official yet though.
 
Open question to the contract pilots:

Almost every co-pilot I'm flying with nowadays is going to be furloghed unfortunately, and many of them express interest in perhaps doing some contract flying. They all have 1000's of hours of flight time and usually at least a few thousand hours of turbojet PIC, often in a RJ of one sort of another. They also will have a 737 type (or A320) with a few hundred hours of SIC time on their jets. I haven't flown with any that have heavy jet/international experience.

If you guys could give advice to a guy in that situation who is about to be furloughed and who would want to take a plunge into the contract world, what would it be? How would you tell them to get their resume "out there"? Do you have names and links to specific, REPUTABLE contract companies (like PARC I guess?) that these guys should set up an account with? Is there anyone/anything they should absolutely avoid? Type slowly please as I know nothing about the contract world, and many of them don't either :)

I'd love to be able to give these unlucky fellows something other than just a sympathetic ear- maybe perhaps some information that could lead them to a (better) job.

Thanks
 
ANA's AJX or AJV contract is a great place to start. You do not have to be typed on the equipment. All you need is 3000 total, 1000 jet, and a jet command type rating.

Parc, ANA and IAC all have the contract and there are a lot of posts on here and pprune about the job.
 
d328pilot said:
ANA's AJX or AJV contract is a great place to start. You do not have to be typed on the equipment. All you need is 3000 total, 1000 jet, and a jet command type rating.

Parc, ANA and IAC all have the contract and there are a lot of posts on here and pprune about the job.
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D328 pilot-

OK thanks, but please clarify for me. I found the Parc website, but I'm not familiar with the abbreviations you mention. I assume ANA is All Nipon but what is IAC? And what is the AJX or AJV contract you refer to? Links please maybe? I'm really not familiar with the contract world.

By the way, I assume you flew the Do328 in the past? I just flew with a guy who was a 328 pilot for Midwest Express and is looking at some sort of contract in China to fly that jet as a Captain (he's about to be furloughed). Do you know anything about that contract or anything that I could pass along to him? I assume there aren't many Do328 contracts out there, so maybe you're familiar with it and whether it is a good or bad deal?

http://www.crewresourcesworldwide.com/index.htm
http://www.hawaiiaviation.com/positions.htm
http://www.iacglobal.com/

Are the three recruiter links above good companies to let soon-to-be furloughees know about? Are there any contracts or pilot recruiter companies that should absolutely be avoided?



Thanks,
ualdriver
 
ualdriver said:
D328 pilot-

OK thanks, but please clarify for me. I found the Parc website, but I'm not familiar with the abbreviations you mention. I assume ANA is All Nipon but what is IAC? And what is the AJX or AJV contract you refer to? Links please maybe? I'm really not familiar with the contract world.

By the way, I assume you flew the Do328 in the past? I just flew with a guy who was a 328 pilot for Midwest Express and is looking at some sort of contract in China to fly that jet as a Captain (he's about to be furloughed). Do you know anything about that contract or anything that I could pass along to him? I assume there aren't many Do328 contracts out there, so maybe you're familiar with it and whether it is a good or bad deal?

http://www.crewresourcesworldwide.com/index.htm
http://www.hawaiiaviation.com/positions.htm
http://www.iacglobal.com/

Are the three recruiter links above good companies to let soon-to-be furloughees know about? Are there any contracts or pilot recruiter companies that should absolutely be avoided?



Thanks,
ualdriver
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IAC is IAC global. The link you posted is that contractors website.


AJX is Air Japan. They are a part of the ANA group flying passenger flights in the 767. AJV is ANA & Japan Post Express. They are AJX's sister company flying cargo 767's.

I am with Parc and have no complaints. There is some unhappiness with guys that are with HACS at the moment. They dont seem to be as well run as Parc. Rishworth seems to be one agency that has a lot of complaints from a lot of people for a very long time.

This is the link to the job on parc's website:

http://www.parcaviation.aero/aviation/FlightcrewJobsDetail.asp?id=6288

Unfortunately I dont know anything about the dornier contracts.
 
d328pilot said:
IAC is IAC global. The link you posted is that contractors website.


AJX is Air Japan. They are a part of the ANA group flying passenger flights in the 767. AJV is ANA & Japan Post Express. They are AJX's sister company flying cargo 767's.

I am with Parc and have no complaints. There is some unhappiness with guys that are with HACS at the moment. They dont seem to be as well run as Parc. Rishworth seems to be one agency that has a lot of complaints from a lot of people for a very long time.

This is the link to the job on parc's website:

http://www.parcaviation.aero/aviation/FlightcrewJobsDetail.asp?id=6288

Unfortunately I dont know anything about the dornier contracts.
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Thanks for all of that information. I'll start reading it tonight.
 
Have worked for both PARC and Rishworth, Parc Aviation does a great job of supporting pilots when they have problems, on the other hand, good luck trying to contact anyone at Rishworth, if you do get a hold of someone, they will make excuses, lie and do their best to rip you off.
 
There is an upgrade program at both AJX and AJV. You should upgrade within your first contract unless you cause problems.
 
Hello Dump Pilot,

While working for AJV/AJX, do you have the capability of:
1. trip trading/ dropping trips?
2. Bidding on different monthly schedules?
3. What is a average work month like?
4. How many days off in the US do you normally have?

Thanks
 

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