Contract back retiring DAL Captains?

[FDJ2]

Hmmm, Dave writes that he was USN, and flew C130 Combat talons? Didn't know the Navy flew the beast....or maybe, if he's a SEAL, he's jumped out of 'em. That I would buy.

Davie was probably a PR in the aviation life support branch of the maintenance department in some Navy C-130 squadron. He was never a SEAL, or a pilot. Just a wannabe.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Now Gerneral would 500 open slots put you in the left seat?

 

[General Lee]

1000 might, but I seriously don't want to cripple this company. I think some deal with Dalpa and the company is coming up shortly. (a temporary deal)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[InclusiveScope]

This is Chris Renkel, MEC Communications Committee Chairman, on Monday, September 20, with a special update. Please note that this hotline is lengthy. It has been emailed to all pilots and is also available on the MEC website.

As you know, your Negotiating Committee met with management throughout the last several days to negotiate limited exceptions to the Pilot Working Agreement to permit the possible use of early-retired pilots returning to active status for a limited period of time. The major goals of these talks were to attain some protections for the Delta Pilots Retirement Plan and the operation. Early this morning, the Negotiating Committee and management reached a tentative agreement, which your MEC subsequently ratified this afternoon and will now send to the membership for your approval. Following is a brief overview of the tentative agreement. Much more information will be forthcoming.

Delta management has agreed it will not file to terminate the pilots’ pension plan before February 1, 2005, even if the company files for bankruptcy prior to this date.
Pilots “eligible” to be employed for a limited timeframe will have a retirement date of October 1, 2004, or later.
Eligible pilots must be Captain-qualified and current in the 777, 767-400ER, 767-300ER, 767-300, 767-200 or 757-200.
Management can access “Post-retirement Pilots,” or PRP, if the manning is at or less than 110% of the number of regular lines in a captain position on one of these aircraft models.
There will be a “random selection process” for the selection of Post-retirement Pilots.
ALPA can determine any time after January 2005 that no additional pilots can be employed as post-retirement pilots. Existing post-retirement pilots could serve until December 31, 2005 but only if they are serving in a position that would be staffed below the 110% level without them.
A Post-retirement Pilot will hold his relative seniority among other PRPs but be placed below all active and furloughed pilots for bidding and other purposes. He will be paid at the 12-year rate of pay for his position but will not accrue further benefits under the Delta Pilots Retirement Plan. He will be a pilot under the PWA subject to the specific provisions of the Letter of Agreement.
The recall of furloughees will not be slowed by the employment of Post-retirement Pilots. If it is employing PRPs, the Company cannot place pilots on furlough, subject to an exception if approved by a bankruptcy court.
Post-retirement Pilots will be able to collect their retirement benefits.
Over the next several days, you will be receiving a copy of the 23-page tentative agreement, a Chairman’s letter, Negotiators’ Notepad and questions-and answers. You will also have access to a webcast beginning Thursday that discusses the tentative agreement. Due to the compressed ratification timeline, we will be relying heavily on electronic communications. Additionally, your elected representatives will be in pilot lounges this week to answer your questions.

We strongly encourage you to check your email and the website frequently. Information on the ratification process is being mailed to you from ALPA National, and will be conducted in accordance with ALPA’s Telephone/Internet voting procedures. Ballots open Tuesday, September 21, at noon will close at noon on Tuesday, September 28.

That’s it for now. Thanks for calling.

 

[TonyC]

This is Chris Renkel, MEC Communications Committee Chairman, on Monday, September 20, with a special update. Please note that this hotline is lengthy. It has been emailed to all pilots and is also available on the MEC website.

. . .

There will be a “random selection process” for the selection of Post-retirement Pilots.

. . .


If it is employing PRPs, the Company cannot place pilots on furlough, subject to an exception if approved by a bankruptcy court.


That’s it for now. Thanks for calling.

Random selection process for PRPs? Sounds fair... roll your dice, take your chances.

Can't furlough pilots? But wait, there's already a no-furlough clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. OH, hang on a sec, I see why it's there. As soon as they go to backruptcy court, they can change everything except the pension - - and they can randomly choose a few more PRPs while they furlough.



Somethin' don't smell so good.

 

[General Lee]

ALPA can stop the PRP process after Jan 1, 05. Also, if things went even more downhill, guys would start bailing out in huge numbers before Feb 1, 05.


Tony C,

You need to reread it. If Delta got punative in a Chap 11 situation, then 1000 guys will leave. (2000 are eligible) Probably no furloughs in the near future with the threat of 1000 pilots leaving by Feb 05.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TonyC]

Probably no furloughs in the near future . . .

(I thought this thread died when the TA passed. Bored, General? )


Probably? PROBABLY?!?!?! But, doesn't your contract say NO furloughs, save for "Acts of God"?

Not anymore, it doesn't. Now it says the Company can avail itself of a simple legal procedure under bankruptcy and, voila, furloughs are OK.


Just to appease you, I did reread it, and it still says the same thing. The Company will not seek relief from the TA except for paragraph 11.g. " No pilot will be placed on furlough during the employment of a post-retirement pilot."

Now, why would the Company even consider furloughing pilots while employing post-retirement pilots? Furthermore, what would motivate them to craft language to allow furloughs where furloughs were not previously permitted, and to employ NON-Delta pilots at the very same time?

Consider the above questions rhetorical. The TA passed, this debate is moot.



EDIT: DISREGARD . . . General Lee's post is weeks old. How did this show up on my list of new posts?!?!?